Is John Wall a Bust?

[ralaw]

When Oscar Robertson gets a statue in China let me know.....pfffffff.......you can have those triple doubles.

[JeremyHight]

John Wall has the problem of being on a team with almost no support in a city where people really don't care about the team. If he was in a bigger market with a real team around him, he would never be considered a bust.

[Senser81]

So he's comparable to Oscar Robertson too?

In all honesty, Wall reminds me of Rod Strickland...who was a good player, but not really an all-star.

My $0.02

[jeffx]

Ralaw said it best. The Wizards are a joke of a frachise. Surround this kid with quality talent, coach him up and see what happens.

[Point Blank]

John Wall has the problem of being on a team with almost no support in a city where people really don't care about the team. If he was in a bigger market with a real team around him, he would never be considered a bust.

People in DC were stoked about getting Wall when he got drafted, that's all they talked about for the longest time. It's like any other city with a bad team, no one is gonna spend their money to watch a shitty team lose every night.

[G-men]

Definitely not a bust.

If Wall had a guy like Kevin Durant to play with, he would be...well...Russell Westbrook.

[Senser81]

Definitely not a bust.

If Wall had a guy like Kevin Durant to play with, he would be...well...Russell Westbrook.

I received a PM saying that you were a terrible poster. What gives?

[Rudi]

Definitely not a bust.

If Wall had a guy like Kevin Durant to play with, he would be...well...Russell Westbrook.

Great fucking insight. That's the whole point here. Wall was a #1 overall pick, so he shouldn't need someone like Durant to make him a good player. He should be the Durant of the Wizards so to speak since he was taken first in the draft.

[Wrath]

He may not be a bust but he's no Iverson................Neither are any of these other little guys. Iverson would eat Rose for lunch too in his prime.

[ralaw]

Great fucking insight. That's the whole point here. Wall was a #1 overall pick, so he shouldn't need someone like Durant to make him a good player. He should be the Durant of the Wizards so to speak since he was taken first in the draft.

Wall being the #1 pick doesn't have to equate to him being a top 5 player in the league. Currently Wall is a good player and has had a good start to his career. Obviously he has some holes in his game, but he's still a good player. Wall is the best player on a bad team and has been since he was drafted. As I said earlier his game is more suited for being a facilitator to a good post player or wing scorer. For the most part teams led by 6'3 and below guards don't dominate the league without help. Westbrook and Rose have a lot of help from playing for solid/good organizations, coaches and teammates. Wall is basically on an island.

[FedEx227]

Not a bust, but he's hardly a franchise changing superstar.

[Rudi]

Not a bust, but he's hardly a franchise changing superstar.

See this is what I'm wondering. Shouldn't a #1 overall draftpick be a "franchise changing superstar"? And if he's not should he be considered a bust?

I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing but I've always wondered how loosely people use the term bust.

[ralaw]

See this is what I'm wondering. Shouldn't a #1 overall draftpick be a "franchise changing superstar"? And if he's not should he be considered a bust?

I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing but I've always wondered how loosely people use the term bust.

I'm sure a team expects a #1 pick to be a "franchise changing superstar," but in reality they always won't. At the minimum I'd suspect a team would want them to be a contributing member that is above average, which Wall is. IMO a busts is someone who flames out of the league and typically is a one contract type of player or someone who is marginal at best. John Wall is far from being a bust. He's a career 16/8/5 guy....considering who he's played with that is pretty good. A #1 pick doesn't have to be LeBron James.

[Herm]

He may not be a bust but he's no Iverson................Neither are any of these other little guys. Iverson would eat Rose for lunch too in his prime.

I always laughed when i watched sportscenter and they were thrilled that Iverson was scoring 35 pts but it was on 9/37 shooting.

[Wrath]

I always laughed when i watched sportscenter and they were thrilled that Iverson was scoring 35 pts but it was on 9/37 shooting.

He was not a great shooter but these new guys are not close to his level for an all around franchise player. He was unstoppable and a great passer and stealer. Wall is like the SAVE ALOT version of iverson and still not that good.