Lin Offer Expected To Be Matched By Knicks

[Rayman]

It's market value!

[Argath]

knicks reportedly would match any offer for lin "up to and including 1 billion dollars"

[Kuzzy Powers]

It's market value!

Except that Lin is a lower caliber player than that market value.

[Argath]

Except that Lin is a lower caliber player than that market value.

So Lin isn't worth 5 mill a year but Dragic is worth 10 mill a year or more?

I'd say their "market value" is pretty close to even considering neither have much experience in a starting role. Where Lin lacks in skill compared to Dragic, he makes up for it in his marketability for the club. Sorry but I might even have to go as far and give the slight edge to Lin in his "market value" over Dragic simply because he's going to bringing a lot more revenue to a club than Goran will.




Edit: And before the counter arguments of "He's getting 14 million his last year!" He's getting paid it for one damn year, if Dragic had signed with the Raptors he'd be making 10+ million for 3-4 years

[Rayman]

Except that Lin is a lower caliber player than that market value.

And Landry Fields isn't?

[Kuzzy Powers]

So Lin isn't worth 5 mill a year but Dragic is worth 10 mill a year or more?

I'd say their "market value" is pretty close to even considering neither have much experience in a starting role. Where Lin lacks in skill compared to Dragic, he makes up for it in his marketability for the club. Sorry but I might even have to go as far and give the slight edge to Lin in his "market value" over Dragic simply because he's going to bringing a lot more revenue to a club than Goran will.




Edit: And before the counter arguments of "He's getting 14 million his last year!" He's getting paid it for one damn year, if Dragic had signed with the Raptors he'd be making 10+ million for 3-4 years

You thinking Lin is as valuable to a team as Goran Dragic is all I need to hear.

[Kuzzy Powers]

And Landry Fields isn't?

I dont think so. Bitter Knicks fans disagree of course. But those MFers are even more likely to match if they're bringing back his boy to the team. So you better get used to that market value.

[Juggernaut]

30 mill is not enough?

This fucking kid, no way is he worth more than 5 mill a year. Is he going to be a top 10 pg? Doubt it. I would have rather gotten Lowery.

Why the fuck couldn't we just trade Lin for Lowery actually?

[EmpireWF]

I dont think so. Bitter Knicks fans disagree of course. But those MFers are even more likely to match if they're bringing back his boy to the team. So you better get used to that market value.

Market value in the NBA is alllllll fucked up. But, if Fields is still a guy off the bench by year 3 in Toronto, getting (most likely, close to if not over) $10 million, that's a bad look. Hopefully, in a system without a ballstopper like Melo, he improves his shot, his perimeter defense and continues to hustle after rebounds. If he plays enough, he could give you 10-5 on a consistent basis and as a #2 SG off the bench, that's not bad in year 1.

[EmpireWF]

Why the fuck couldn't we just trade Lin for Lowery actually?

Lowery doesn't sell jerseys, other merch and get people in the Far East all hot and bothered.

[Argath]

You thinking Lin is as valuable to a team as Goran Dragic is all I need to hear.

Well if we're going by "market value" as you are always so adamant to point out, how does Goran Dragic have a higher market value than Jeremy Lin? What has he done which justifies a 10 mill a year contract? Because he is an average PG? Honestly, why do you believe Goran Dragic should be a top 5 paid point guard in the league? Why would paying him 10 million a year be "market value" but paying Jeremy Lin 5 million a year be overpaying


I guess you are a toronto fan so you are used to overpaying for average-below average point guards.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Well if we're going by "market value" as you are always so adamant to point out, how does Goran Dragic have a higher market value than Jeremy Lin? What has he done which justifies a 10 mill a year contract? Because he is an average PG? Honestly, why do you believe Goran Dragic should be a top 5 paid point guard in the league? Why would paying him 10 million a year be "market value" but paying Jeremy Lin 5 million a year be overpaying


I guess you are a toronto fan so you are used to overpaying for average-below average point guards.

Heres the thing, if you think Goran Dragic is average then how can this discussion go any further? You are obviously not able to evaluate this dudes talent level and that is why you are underestimating his value on the open market in the NBA where nearly everyone is over-paid. Dragic has been showing his potential as a back-up for multiple years now, and finely with starters minutes last year played pretty fucking great. Lin broke down after a great near 2 month stretch. Forgive me for trusting one more long term than the other. Furthermore, If Lin turned down the 31 million 4 year offer sheet from Houston that is more than what Goran Dragic received from Phoenix. Jeremy Lin is not going to be netting 5 million annually anywhere, he may get a backloaded contract that pays him 5 million in his first year, or two, but thats pretty irrelevant because the total sum of the contract still remains.

And yes, that is the whole fucking point. I am used to overpaying for players, as should every fucking fan in the league be used to this by now. This is what you seem to have a difficult time grasping.

[Argath]

Heres the thing, if you think Goran Dragic is average then how can this discussion go any further? You are obviously not able to evaluate this dudes talent level and that is why you are underestimating his value on the open market in the NBA where nearly everyone is over-paid. If Lin turned down the 31 million 4 year offer sheet from Houston that is more than what Goran Dragic received from Phoenix. Jeremy Lin is not going to be netting 5 million annually anywhere, he may get a backloaded contract, but thats pretty irrelevant.

And yes, that is the whole fucking point. I am used to overpaying for players, as should every fucking fan in the league be used to this by now. This is what you seem to have a difficult time grasping.

What I have a difficult time grasping is why should Goran Dragic be a top 5 paid PG in the league right now? Goran Dragic is an average PG and I firmly stand by that statement. He shoots the ball well, makes good decision and is an all around above average offensive player. However, he is a well below average defender who lacks the athleticism many other starting PGs in the league have. In a league full of big, highly athletic PGs, he would get beat down on a night to night basis.

So once again, I ask you, what about his game makes him deserve a 10 million $$$ contract? Because he averaged 18 and 8 through the last 20 something games of the season? Is that not the same reason Jeremy Lin is gathering all this attention right now? How is Jeremy Lin being overpaid on an annual salary of 5 mill (Which you stated it was when the reports first came out) but Dragic deserves 10 mill?

I'm not arguing that nobody in the NBA is overpaid, and I realize that there are players who are. But your whole argument is basically everyone else is doing it so why not? I'm not saying every team should build through the draft either, FA is a key role to every title contender, what I am saying is why waste money on someone who you know won't play up to the level of his contract? Goran may add 5-10 wins to your season maybe, but does that kind of an impact justify making him a top 5 paid player at his position? He's not even a top10 player at his position, so why pay him like he's top 5? Hardly anyone other than die hard NBA fans has even heard of the guy, he doesn't sell jerseys like Jeremy Lin does, nor does he bring in an entire continent of potential fans.

That is the real reason teams want Jeremy Lin and concept which you are having a hard time grasping apparently. Teams don't want him for what he does on the court but rather the money they can make off of him off the court. It is a business after all.

[Kuzzy Powers]

What I have a difficult time grasping is why should Goran Dragic be a top 5 paid PG in the league right now? Goran Dragic is an average PG and I firmly stand by that statement. He shoots the ball well, makes good decision and is an all around above average offensive player. However, he is a well below average defender who lacks the athleticism many other starting PGs in the league have. In a league full of big, highly athletic PGs, he would get beat down on a night to night basis.

So once again, I ask you, what about his game makes him deserve a 10 million $$$ contract? Because he averaged 18 and 8 through the last 20 something games of the season? Is that not the same reason Jeremy Lin is gathering all this attention right now? How is Jeremy Lin being overpaid on an annual salary of 5 mill (Which you stated it was when the reports first came out) but Dragic deserves 10 mill?

I'm not arguing that nobody in the NBA is overpaid, and I realize that there are players who are. But your whole argument is basically everyone else is doing it so why not? I'm not saying every team should build through the draft either, FA is a key role to every title contender, what I am saying is why waste money on someone who you know won't play up to the level of his contract? Goran may add 5-10 wins to your season maybe, but does that kind of an impact justify making him a top 5 paid player at his position? He's not even a top10 player at his position, so why pay him like he's top 5? Hardly anyone other than die hard NBA fans has even heard of the guy, he doesn't sell jerseys like Jeremy Lin does, nor does he bring in an entire continent of potential fans.

That is the real reason teams want Jeremy Lin and concept which you are having a hard time grasping apparently.Teams don't want him for he does on the court but rather the money they can make off of him off the court. It is a business after all.

Jeremy Lin is not going to get an annual salary of 5 million dollars ANYWHERE. Are you really this dense? Lol. I was of course jabbing Lin as I have consistently all year, and given the market of the league even Lin himself wont end up being that over-paid because that is THE MARKET OF THE LEAGUE (even tho I dont believe Lin is the same caliber of player that others in his pay range may be..) there are different elements to him that are appealing for marketing purposes.. but that goes to shit if hes doesnt play well. Noone cares about shitty Asians from Harvard just because they're Asians from Harvard.

10 million a season (which he didnt even receive) is not being paid as a top 5 point guard. So as many times as you say that its just not accurate. It may work out in the top 8-12 range of PGs, but given that he is a free agent at this point in time its not that off-base.. when the young crop of PGs contracts expire they are going to get the same kind of money if not more. John Wall included.. is he gonna be worth the max he receives? Obviously not.

And yes, my point is that if the MARKET VALUE for players is the MARKET VALUE for players then its not unheard of to continue to pay MARKET VALUE for players. That seems pretty simple to grasp. Especially for shitty teams, they dont have much choice but to over-pay to get players to come to their city.

But we ended up with value in Kyle Lowry with 12 million over 2 seasons. When his contract expires im sure hes going to want a nice fat 10 million dollar a year annual contract, if not more. And noone should be surprised by him receiving that.

[Kuzzy Powers]

For the record... Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker, Jose Calderon, Baron Davis, Derrick Rose, Steve Nash (last year), Chauncey Billups, Jason Kidd were all making over 10 million a year.. thats off the top off my head, I may be missing someone. And there is a bag of other dudes making around the same price range. Conley, Nelson, Felton, Harris, Andre Miller they're all around the same price range. So how is it so hard to grasp what the market value for these guys is? If you are underrating Goran Dragic then so be it, but thats on you bruh, not me.