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@sheridanhoops Rudy Gay for Bradley Beal? It's reportedly being discussed:
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Looks like the rumors are accurate, and the two teams are discussing this deal. I'm not sure what the Washington Wizards are thinking if they end up pulling the trigger on this deal. I'm sorry, but Beal is MUCH better in the long run. Gay will be demanding a high-cost extension if the Wiz want to keep him, and Beal is in the first year of his rookie deal with potential to be something special. Don't move Beal. Terrible idea for the Wizards in my opinion.
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Terrible, stupid move on the Wizards part even though Gay is a solid player.
With that being said, it's the Wizards, so there's probably some truth to it. This team went out of its way to acquire Trevor Ariza, Nene and Emeka Okafor in the past. -
The problem with Bradley Beal is he can't create his own shot. In fact, no one one the Wizards can create their own shot. That's the only reason I can really see for the Wizards exploring this trade. I hope they don't pull the trigger though. I'd rather just have a high draft pick next year and pick up a scorer in the draft, we're pretty much guaranteed a top5 pick. They really haven't even given Beal a chance to play with Wall yet either which is kind've upsetting to me. The whole point of drafting Beal was to grow one of the most dangerous 1-2 backcourt punches in the NBA with Wall driving to the basket and kicking to Beal for the open shot if the defense comes to help.
If they can somehow snag Marc Gasol or Zach Randolph in the trade though then I'll
but chances of this happening are less than .00000001%
The real problem with the Wizards is the coach. Randy Whitman needs to get the fuck out. I've never seen a coach ever admit that he has no idea what he's doing before this season. I mean seriously, how the fuck as a coach can you give up on a team 15 games in like that?
With all that said, we are talking about the Wizards here so nothing they do will surprise me.Comment
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I thinks we should bring the rumors thread back.Comment
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agreed start it up ATBComment
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Another deal apparently on the table is Okafor, Jordan Crawford and Chris Singleton for Gay. I hope this is the trade that actually ends up happening. Wiz should throw in Vesely too just get him off the team, I hate that lanky uncordinated fuck. He's gonna go down as the biggest bust in that draft.Comment
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Bradley Beal will be lucky if Rudy Gay is his upside IMO.
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I disagree. Beal has the potential to be a great scorer, and in my opinion, at the level of a Ray Allen type of player. His shot is very good, and he can get to the rim with his athleticism as well. Defensively, he will never be as good as Rudy Gay, but the overall player that he can become with his scoring ability makes him the better player in my opinion.Comment
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His shot has been terrible all year. It's not just because of the guys he plays with either or not being able to create his own shot. He's been continually missing wide open shots throughout most games this year. OKC was probably the first game he actually played up to his hype.Comment
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Beal will just be another 2 guard who can't score and can't play defense, can't blame the Wizards for drafting him though they really had no choice unless they moved the pick.Comment
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So did Paul George of the Pacers in his rookie season. Beal has a great shot, and it will come. George has shot great numbers this year. There's a BIG change from the college three-point shot to the NBA three-point shot. He's under a lot more pressure as well. Most rookies have a rough transition in their rookie season, especially if they were a scorer in college, which Beal was. There are a lot of changes in speed of the game, and distance of the shots, and the pressure you're under. He'll get used to it, and be fine next year, and get even better as the season continues.Comment
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To be fair, I'm starting to question the Wizards development of young players. Not to say Beal is going to be something special, but the continued struggles of pretty much every single young player the Wizards draft has me a little baffled.Comment
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I've always liked the Ray Allen comparison to Beal, but he is a poor man's Ray Allen. IMO he'll never be the scorer that Allen was in his prime and I don't think he is the athlete. He may get an all star game or two, but not much else. Unless they get quality management and quality coaching much like John Wall he really just needs to get out of Washington. As for this trade.....typical Washington. I don't know why they would trade for an overpaid player in Rudy Gay, because it isn't as if acquiring him would put them over the top or as if he is the quality of player that you would want to build your franchise around. He is like Joe Johnson.....quality #2 or #3 option, but nothing more.Comment
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The NBA is littered with players who couldn't make that jump though. Look at JJ Redick. The man is arguably the best shooter/scorer to ever play college ball. It took the man 4 years to hit his stride and he still can't crack the starting lineup on a sorry ass Orlando team. Not to mention even he shot better than Beal has so far this year. I understand it takes time to get used to the distance/speed however I've watched a lot of Wizards games this year and Beal is missing wide open shots from the 3 point line, elbow and the corner. When I say wide open, I mean shots the other team just gives to him and doesn't even try to contest. These should be automatic, especially if you're gonna compare him to Ray Allen. Fun fact, Ray Allen shot a better 3 point percentage in his rookie year than Beal's FG percentage. Beal is shooting under 40% FG%, that is downright awful. I'm not saying I'm giving up on him this early in his career, he definitely has time to improve, but to compare him to Ray Allen is a huuuuuuuuuuuuge reach at this point. I hope he turns it around and proves me wrong, I really do. I had complete faith in him before the draft, he looked great. He hasn't lived up to the hype of a #3 pick though.
I'm not sure it's the development of the players but rather the quality of the players drafted. I never liked Vesely, I always thought he was a bum which I've been right about. Booker and Seraphin are practically the same player, we knew that when they were both drafted. Seraphin has actually played well this year, though quite streaky. Chris Singleton was drafted to be a defensive role player, he's fit his role pretty well. Wall has definitely lived up to the hype. His turnovers have more to do with his style of fast paced play and the biggest knock on him before he was drafted was his shot. Even Rondo is still trying to develop a shot. Mack has developed really well into a nice backup PG who was able to come in and play while Wall was out for a bit.
It really comes down to the Coach though. Whitman has no fucking clue what he's doing and doesn't put his players in a position to win and even admits it. When Wall was out, he tried keeping the same style of fast break offense going with AJ Price and Mack at the PG instead of switching to a half court offense. They don't run any plays. It's literally whoever touches the ball first on the offensive side of the court is going up with a shot. Whenever they do actually get some ball movement, the team actually plays decent.. see games against OKC and Miami.
I can see where you're coming from though. Outside of Wall, no player we've drafted in the past 4 years has made any kind of substantial impact.
Agreed, I hope one of two things happen if a trade for Rudy Gay does go down.
1) Other players are added into the deal, hopefully a post player
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2) The deal is actually for Crawford, Okafor and Singleton
If neither of these happen I'll just continue shaking me head and buying some $2 tickets to go watch whatever team they're facing play.Comment
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Per ESPN RumorsA report in Sunday's Commercial Appeal mentions Bradley Beal as the centerpiece of a trade package Washington reportedly offered recently to Memphis for Rudy Gay, but Beal's agent Mark Bartelstein denies that ever happened.
"I've talked to both teams. There is absolutely nothing to it," Bartelstein tells the Washington Post. "The Wizards have made it very clear that they are not moving Brad Beal."
If The Wizards can bring in Gay without unloading John Wall or Beal, they stand a chance to go into next season with a starting five that includes: Wall, Beal, Gay, Kevin Seraphin (if he's not included in any such deal) and Nene (see; Seraphin).
Looks like the deal on the table may be Crawford, Okafor and SingletonComment
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