Serious MVP Discussion

[Bear Pand]

Look at the award the last five years.

07-08 Kobe Best Player on West #1 Seed.
06-07 Dirk Best Player on West #1 Seed.
05-06 and 04-05 Nash Best Player on West #1 Seed.
03-04 KG Best Player on West #1 Seed.

I always hate these threads/debates because there's really no "official" definition as to what "MVP" means so people are free to make up their own criteria. But the formula for winning the award is pretty clear to me.

[Primetime]

Exactly, the NBA MVP really is probably one of the easiest awards to predict, because all the voters do is give the award to the player with the best stats on the team with the best record.

And that's something the NBA needs to change. Guys like CP3 deserved that award. Kobe didn't get the MVP, he got the "Lifetime Achievement" award. The NBA just needed to give him one sometime and they figured last year was their best chance to give it to him. We all know CP3 was the true MVP last year.

[mfbmike]

Fuck the NBA and their shitty MVP voting system. How bout that?

[Primetime]

Fuck the NBA and their shitty MVP voting system. How bout that?

+1

[Bear Pand]

And that's something the NBA needs to change. Guys like CP3 deserved that award. Kobe didn't get the MVP, he got the "Lifetime Achievement" award. The NBA just needed to give him one sometime and they figured last year was their best chance to give it to him. We all know CP3 was the true MVP last year.

So are you willing to admit that Nash stole one from Kobe or no?

[Point Blank]

I think Lebron will get it. The voting system is a fucking joke though like Mike said.

[Primetime]

So are you willing to admit that Nash stole one from Kobe or no?

Not at all. Kobe was a good scorer, Nash was a leader. Neither year did Kobe or his team do better. Nash lead his teams to win, which gave him that value.

Wins must play some kind of role, they just cannot be the sole reason to give someone an MVP.

[Bear Pand]

Not at all. Kobe was a good scorer, Nash was a leader. Neither year did Kobe or his team do better. Nash lead his teams to win, which gave him that value.

Wins must play some kind of role, they just cannot be the sole reason to give someone an MVP.

So Kobe didn't do that over CP3 last year? Specifically at the end when the #1 seed was on the line and Kobe lead them to H2H victories over CP3 and the Hornets? This is why the NBA needs to define what the award actually means. As it stands right now, it's just pick your personal favorite and make up an argument for them.

[Primetime]

So Kobe didn't do that over CP3 last year? Specifically at the end when the #1 seed was on the line and Kobe lead them to H2H victories over CP3 and the Hornets? This is why the NBA needs to define what the award actually means. As it stands right now, it's just pick your personal favorite and make up an argument for them.

Where would the Lakers have ended up without Kobe? A 4-5 seed.
Where would the Hornets have ended up without CP3? A lottery pick.


That's the difference. The Lakers would have been fine without Kobe. The Hornets were CP3.

[ralaw]

Where would the Lakers have ended up without Kobe? A 4-5 seed.
Where would the Hornets have ended up without CP3? A lottery pick.


That's the difference. The Lakers would have been fine without Kobe. The Hornets were CP3.

Without Kobe I highly doubt the Lakers would have finished as a 4-5 seed, but it really doesn't matter because its all speculation. However, IMO Paul was the MVP, but Kobe was also deserving of the award.As Panda said, it came down to the game between the Lakers and Hornets for #1 seed in the west and the Lakers came out on top, which is why Kobe won the award.

I've never been of a fan of the logic of "take player X off of team A" and see what happens, because it can't be proven.Generally what really happens is that someone has a belief of who should win and uses that failed logic to validate it.

[Vinsane]

I feel like I did you guys a dishonesty by not mentioning CP3, one of my favorite players to watch. I'm a homer through and through and will bleed black and blue..excuse me...wine and gold. When Chris Paul is on though, I'm watching. The guy is a stud, reminds me of Iverson when he first came to the league. Undersized guy that makes your head spin. CP3 will get his in time, though he deserved it last year. Plenty of opportunity for this guy to amaze over the next decade.

[Primetime]

Wade doesnt derserve MVP! Its numbers arent that great when you think about. I mean, Kwame Brown could put up 28-6-4 if he got every call on every play.

You realize drawing fouls is an ability right? He doesn't "get" calls, he draws calls.

[stevsta]

And that's something the NBA needs to change. Guys like CP3 deserved that award. Kobe didn't get the MVP, he got the "Lifetime Achievement" award. The NBA just needed to give him one sometime and they figured last year was their best chance to give it to him. We all know CP3 was the true MVP last year.

and what did steve nash get the guy who cant win a championship so we'll give him a smaller trophy award

[Bear Pand]

Wade doesnt derserve MVP! Its numbers arent that great when you think about. I mean, Kwame Brown could put up 28 turnovers -6 fouls -4 points if he got the ball on every play.

Fixed your post

[stevsta]

I have to say a lot of you guys are homers in writing kobe off (not all of you, but they know who they are)
Kobe is pound for pound the best in the league

ADMIT IT and you will fill a lot better

while being the best does not mean an MVP im just pointing out who the best is

(and don't bring stats into who's the best b/c we all know that in a game stats mean nothing its only a statistic)