Top 5 active PG.....

[Onez]

Yeah, but what he said is 'He works better with LeBron than just about any other PG would', while LeBron has only played with shooting guards who play at the point guard position. How does he know Mo 'works better with LeBron than just about any other PG would' if LeBron has only played with shoot-first point guards?

[FirstTimer]

B/c why would you want a pass first PG working with Lebron? Bron does enough passing and distributing on his own. That's why the Cavs went out and got scorers to surround Lebron. Even moves from seasons ago like Wally Z were brought in to be shooters. The Cavs don't need a big distributing PG when they already have Lebron.

I know his working may have been less than desirable but Mo Williams, for the type of PG he is, has played just about as well as you could ask any other PG to do, whether they were shoot first guys or not...but especially if they were shoot first PG's. That being said I don't think he is a Top 5 PG in the NBA(regardless of shoot or pass first) but whatevs..

[NAHSTE]

B/c why would you want a pass first PG working with Lebron? Bron does enough passing and distributing on his own. That's why the Cavs went out and got scorers to surround Lebron. Even moves from seasons ago like Wally Z were brought in to be shooters. The Cavs don't need a big distributing PG when they already have Lebron.

I know his working may have been less than desirable but Mo Williams, for the type of PG he is, has played just about as well as you could ask any other PG to do, whether they were shoot first guys or not...but especially if they were shoot first PG's. That being said I don't think he is a Top 5 PG in the NBA(regardless of shoot or pass first) but whatevs..

Yeah the way the Cavs are set up now is perfect. Couldn't hurt to have another athletic wing to be the "stopper" but other than that they are pretty much built to play with LeBron now. A shoot-first PG is definitely ideal in Cleveland's system.

But I don't know if other players wouldn't be doing the same thing as Mo if they were in his place. Other PGs with a J like Mike Bibby or Luther Head would be putting up career numbers as well. Mo is playing great ball and it is clear he fits in great with LBJ. But I definitely think several other PGs could thrive just as well alongside the King.

[Bear Pand]

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[dell71]

Yeah the way the Cavs are set up now is perfect. Couldn't hurt to have another athletic wing to be the "stopper" but other than that they are pretty much built to play with LeBron now. A shoot-first PG is definitely ideal in Cleveland's system.

But I don't know if other players wouldn't be doing the same thing as Mo if they were in his place. Other PGs with a J like Mike Bibby or Luther Head would be putting up career numbers as well. Mo is playing great ball and it is clear he fits in great with LBJ. But I definitely think several other PGs could thrive just as well alongside the King.

True, but Jason Kidd ain't one of 'em.

[The Messenger]

Rondo is not better than Andre Miller, Baron Davis, or Rodney Stuckey. Rondo plays with 3 All-Stars so there is no doubt his assist and points numbers are going to be up there. They make him look a lot better than he is. Rondo at best right now is a good defender with above average rebounding skills for a point guard and someone who needs to get to the rim to score unless he's knocking down a wide open 15 footer, which I may add is set up by either Garnett being double teamed, or someone running out to Allen, or the team trying to clog the lanes for Pierce.

Andre Miller also has no three point shot, but he's ten times the leader Rondo is and he's a much better passer, and scorer on the floor. Andre Miller is the most underrated point guard in the NBA and I'd take him in a heart beat over Rondo.

Baron Davis can still put up 25 points and 15 assists on any given night. He's still one of the strongest point guards driving to the hoop in the game today. You're stupid if you think Rondo is better than B-Diddy, even with Baron having the horrible year he is having. If Baron Davis was on the Celtics it would be the most unfair lineup in the NBA. The only thing Rondo has on Baron is defense, and that's by a slim margin because Rondo isn't as great on defense as people say, he's just on the Celtics.

Every GM in the NBA would take Rodney Stuckey over Rondo. God why am I even arguing this? Anyone who thinks Rondo is better than Miller, Davis, and Stuckey is either a Celtic fan or someone who doesn't watch much basketball. Stuckey is a future star in this league. Rondo will be no better than what he already is, a role player.

If you took any point guard worth a damn in the NBA and gave them Rondo's job at the point in time he got it, no one would be on Rondo's nuts, they'd be on Brevin Knight's or Jordan Farmar's nuts. Look at Rondo's stat jumps from his first year to his second year (when he started playing with the big 3). His field goal jump alone is enough to show you that playing with 3 eventual hall of famers will make things a lot easier on the court.

I give Rondo more credit then a lot of my friends that I argue basketball with, but most casual NBA fans and Celtic fans overrate Rondo and make him into some Top 5 point guard which he isn't. He's top 15 at best right now.

[The Messenger]

Day and Night?

So Rondo's 12 ppg compared to Stuckeys 13 ppg is day and night?

If that's the case, then Rondo's PG skills are day and night compared to Stuckey's.

Is there any category that Stuckey excels at more than Rondo? He scores a "day and night" 1.6 more ppg than Rondo... and let's not forget a whopping 0.003% better from three land. Stuckey shoots better at the FT line, I'll give him that.

You're stupid and obviously a fan boy. Rodney Stuckey can score 1.6 ppg more than Rondo, but Stuckey has the ability to score like a young Dwayne Wade or Baron Davis. Rondo scores mostly because of KG, Pierce, and Allen, three hall of famers.

Don't look at stats, we all know stats lie. Go look at a game of basketball. If you still think Rondo can score almost as good as Stuckey, well then have fun in la-la-land.

[The Messenger]

lol you just have to deal with DET's everyone who doesn't agree with Detroit is bias and doesn't know basketball....even though Rondo's offensive game is nearly identical to Stuckey's except Rondo makes everyone around him better as well as getting to the hoop at will.

and Mitch. Not a chance...Rondo MAKES everyone around him better. Huge difference.

God Heel, not you. Rondo's offensive game is no where near Stuckey's. Are we watching the same two basketball players?

Stats don't mean shit. Stuckey can score right now whenever he wants to, but he's learning how to be a better pure point guard and when he needs to pass and set his teammates up. Rondo is only now learning how to score, but he's learning how to score with 3 hall of famers on his team, and that's pretty easy.

If Rondo was traded for Conley the day of that draft, then Conley would be this top 5 point guard who's balls you are all waxing, and Rondo would be some piece of shit on the Grizzlies.

[The Messenger]

That's like an argument about LeBron and Kobe. Kobe can score from anywhere, but LeBron can't. LeBron can still score just as much, and just as efficiently as Kobe though, so it doesn't fucking matter.

Only difference is Stuckey can't score from anywhere, he can just score from a few more places. His offense is not "day and night" compared to Rondo's.

What gave you the idea that I was a fan boy? You must be the most observant person in your family I'm guessing.

The fact that you can sit there and say something as stupid as that makes me think you're Nukleopatra with a different username.

The difference between Stuckey and Rondo isn't the same as the difference between Kobe and Lebron or Wade and Kobe. Stuckey can score, he's a scorer, and he can score when he needs to. Rondo isn't a scorer. He's a guy who can put up 11 points per game while playing alongside 3 hall of famers.

Just go watch the games. You can't tell me that if Rondo was on another team that he'd be doing the same thing he's doing right now.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Rondo eats Rodney Stuckey on defense and is a better passer than Stuckey.

Stuckey has more offense than Rondo, but Rondo isnt really that great of an offensive player.

The only comparison is that they both run the point, they both play different styles. Rajon Rondo is better than just getting to play with 3 legends. To say every GM would take Stuckey over Rondo is ignorance, and to act like its not even arguable probably makes YOU the fanboy.

[Kuzzy Powers]

To be fair.. Stuckey's future is definitely at PG, not SG. Hes just more of a scorer than a creator from the 1.

[The Messenger]

Bob Kuzzy, what I'm saying is if you truly watch Rodney Stuckey and Rajon Rondo play, and you pay attention to the defense and how both players score, you will see that Stuckey is able to score almost at will, and Rondo is not. Rondo isn't a good scorer. He's a decent scorer right now in the system he is in, and that's all he is, a system PG.

Stuckey has the ability to be a superstar in the NBA. In 2-3 I can guarantee you that Rodney Stuckey will be a team's (most likely the Pistons) main superstar. Can you honestly sit there and say that any team would trust their future being in the hands of Rajon Rondo? Come on, that's crazy.

There's a whole lot of PGs that could've done Rondo's job given the chance and the outcome would've been the same. He's a system PG and a role player... that's all he is. Look at all the other defensive first, good passing point guards out there who could have done as good of, if not a better job, than what Rondo is doing. Guys like Andre Miller, Brevin Knight, etc. But if you were to go ahead and replace Rondo with a PG who can score whenever he has the ball in his hands, a guy like Rodney Stuckey or Baron Davis, you have a much deadlier offensive team than you got right now.

And this whole thing about defense, I know Rondo is talented defensively, that's been his game since Kentucky. But without Rondo, do you really think the Celtics would be bad on defense? All Rondo's job on defense is is to pester the other team's PG and play risky defense with high benefits because he has Perkins and KG behind him. A lot of PGs could do the same thing.

[Whatupdoe44]

Rondo will always be over rated just cause of the team he plays on and the success they have, putting him in the TOP 5 PGs IMO is rediculous