Love: I was screwed in ROY voting.

[ralaw]

I really don't care about stats, but I do know if I was in a meaningful game and Kobe was pissed for whatever reason I'd take him 10/10 times over LeBron James. I love LeBron James, but when you watch a motivated Kobe it's just ridiculous how easy he makes it look.

[stevsta]

I really don't care about stats, but I do know if I was in a meaningful game and Kobe was pissed for whatever reason I'd take him 10/10 times over LeBron James. I love LeBron James, but when you watch a motivated Kobe it's just ridiculous how easy he makes it look.

like in game 4 of the jazz series

[FirstTimer]

like in game 4 of the jazz series

Or like Kobe last year in The Finals


Oh wait.

[stevsta]

Or like Kobe last year in The Finals


Oh wait.

or like lebron vs the spurs

OH WAIT

[FirstTimer]

or like lebron vs the spurs

OH WAIT

I never made the statement I would take 'Bron 10/10 times over Kobe in a meaningful game so not sure what the point of this response is....

[ralaw]

i can see the 10/10 argument for a do-or-die possession where kobe is nearly unstoppable, but a 'motivated' james is as likely to go for 35/12/10 and carry his team to a win in a meaningful game as anyone

That is true, but its about preference. As I mentioned James is a great player, but I prefer Kobe over LeBron. At this point in his career LeBron can't touch Kobe's offensive repertoire. LeBron is a bull who is bigger, faster and stronger than everyone, which is great as well. I’ll give it to LeBron that IMO he is a more well rounded player and maybe a better leader, but I'm not sure how that could be proven. I could get into a discussion of how the triangle offense doesn't allow Kobe to average nearly a triple double, and you will rebuttal with the argument that the triangle offense due to how it isolates him makes Kobe’s job easier. We could go all day with that, which is why I’ll just say I prefer Kobe over LeBron.

In this discussion there is no way anyone can say that either is clearly better than the other, as it all is about opinion and preference.

[The Messenger]

So... Kevin Love...

I have always been a Wolves fan and I didn't like the draft trade for Love last year, but he won me over with his play this year. Too many people are saying "he must not be valuable because his team didn't win", yet everyone above him besides Rose and Beasley missed the playoffs and many guys had an even worse record. Gasol put up slightly better numbers in 5 minutes more per game, and he's 4 years older than Love.

I'm extremely optimistic about Love's future after this year because he keeps getting better and better.

Here's a comparison with Gasol, the following are averages for only games where the player played 30+ minutes (I calculated these using Yahoo game logs):

Gasol
Min: 35:21
Pts: 13.8
Reb: 8.6

Love
Min: 33:32
Pts: 16.8
Reb: 11.8

Points don't mean much. Gasol has Kobe on his team as well as Lamar Odom and several other players capable of scoring the ball. Gasol isn't needed to score every game, only games when other people on the team are doing bad.

Love is on a bad team only looking towards the future, I'm pretty sure they go into Love a lot more in certain games just to help him develop his game.

Rebound wise, of course Love is better, I'd take Love over a lot of big men rebounding wise. If Love was getting starter's minutes he'd probably average over 11.5 rebounds a game.

However, Gasol is easily the better overall player by a long shot.

[The Messenger]

:jimshake:

:seeyou:

[The Messenger]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest we might not be talking about the same Gasol...

Haha, oh shit my bad. I just assumed he was talking about the only Gasol who meant a damn.

I've watched almost every single Grizzlies games (and been to nearly half of them live), so I don't even see someone talking about Marc Gasol as relevant in this case.

Marc is what he is. He's a big body. Kevin Love is much more than that. Anyone who would take Marc over Kevin Love is simply going off of stats.

"There's three things in basketball. There's lies. There's damn lies. There's stats."