Who would you rather have?

[Whatupdoe44]

Rondo>Stuckey

[Maestro]

Messenger makes the best point, the make up of their respective teams really makes Rondo and Stuckey who they are. If you put Rondo on the Pistons do you honestly think that he would be doing what he is right now, Rondo has players to take the pressure off of him, Stuckey meanwhile is asked to be a major part of his teams offense.

[The Messenger]

Have you watched the playoffs?

It's not about watching the playoffs. It's about the team you are on. This isn't the "Rondo has 3 hall-of-famers" argument. This is the "what are they asked to do on their team" argument.

Perhaps this little debate would work comparing players like Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier, and Tayshaun Prince. All three are defensive players who are asked to shut down the other team's best player and knock down shots when needed to. You could compare those guys and say "I'd rather have Bowen" or "I'd rather have Prince" because all 3 fit the same criteria.

The question asked here is who would you rather have, a defensive, pass-first point guard who can score when called upon, or a guy who can score effortlessly like it's second-nature, is decent on defense, but needs to develop better point guard skills.

In the end, it all depends on what team you are placing these guys on.

Would you want Rondo on a team like the Spurs who are looking for offensive firepower and are already loaded as a team on defense? Or would you want a guy like Stuckey who's scoring prowess is much more advanced?

Same goes for the Golden State Warriors. Would they want another pure scorer like Stuckey, or would they take a defensive minded, good leader at the point like Rondo who could improve their team?

To me, this question is about as good as asking "would you rather take Rasheed Wallace or Emeka Okafor?"

[Maestro]

If you would take Rondo on any team you would be making a huge mistake. I have watched the playoffs and he has played very well, but right now he is feeding off of Allen and Peirce. The defense is so worried about those two that its a little easier for Rondo to score. Derrick Rose is a rookie PG with questionable defense, we will see if he can do this against a veteran guard like Rafer Alston or Andre Miller.

If im a team with enough offensive fire power like Boston i would pick Rondo over Stuckey. If im a team with more defensive power than offensive like the Pistons or Spurs i would choose Stuckey. In the NBA sometimes players are bust because they dont fit into the system that they are put in. Rondo's role on the Celtics is perfect for him, all he has to do is play defense, pass the ball, and take it to the basket when he can. If you look at Mo Williams, he had a great season, one of the reasons was that he did not have to try as hard to score as he did on Milwaukee, Lebron drives than kicks it out as the defense converges. The same is going for Rondo, the defenders are around the perimeter alot which allows him to dive and get to the basket because the defense is stretched out.

[The Messenger]

I've already talked about that in the last thread on the talk of Rondo and Stuckey. Rondo is currently 7th or something in scoring for the playoffs. Which means, he CAN score if he needs to, but you've already said, he doesn't have to because he has 3 hall of famers.

So, I'd take Rondo over Stuckey in any situation. Stuckey can shoot the ball better, but that's it, and his ability to score over Rondo is minimal.

Rondo CAN score whenever the fuck he wants to. He's so fast, he can get around basically any defender, and he's stronger than he appears.

I can't think of one situation where I would want Stuckey over Rondo at the point guard. Shooting guard, it is debatable, if you want a defensive shooting guard, or an offensive one, but talking about the point guard spot... Seriously? The guy leading your team, you'd rather have Stuckey?

Who leads the Spurs? Who leads the Magic? Who's leading the Rockets? Who leads the Lakers? Who leads the Cavaliers? Who's leading the Blazers? Who's leading Miami? Who's leading Memphis?

Really, the point guard doesn't have to be a leader. As I said before, it all goes back to the make-up of the team and that would answer the question as to who you want on your team.

Stats don't mean everything in basketball. Sure, Rondo can get to the rim easily, but teams are still worrying about Pierce and Allen. There's no doubt Rondo can score, but if he's the other team's number one priority on defense without guys like Peirce and Allen to worry about, you really think Rondo can run around the whole team and score? Doubtful.

[The Messenger]

I'm not doubting Rondo's talent or his ability to make the Celtics what they are. I'm just stating the fact that this whole argument is flawed because Rondo and Stuckey are two completely different point guard and the only way to know the answer to the question is to already know who is on the team.

If you had this team...

SG: Raja Bell
SF: Peja Stojakovic
PF: Emeka Okafor
C: Ben Wallace

Who would you want on that team? Obviously you need a pure scorer who can pour it in from anywhere on the court.

SG: Morris Peterson
SF: Thaddeous Young
PF: Al Harrington
C: Mehmet Okur

In that situation, you would want a defensive, pass-first, team leader, point guard like Rondo who can set up all of those scorers and can help anchor the defense on an otherwise defensively flawed team.

[Len B]

I'm not doubting Rondo's talent or his ability to make the Celtics what they are. I'm just stating the fact that this whole argument is flawed because Rondo and Stuckey are two completely different point guard and the only way to know the answer to the question is to already know who is on the team.

If you had this team...

SG: Raja Bell
SF: Peja Stojakovic
PF: Emeka Okafor
C: Ben Wallace

Who would you want on that team? Obviously you need a pure scorer who can pour it in from anywhere on the court.

SG: Morris Peterson
SF: Thaddeous Young
PF: Al Harrington
C: Mehmet Okur

In that situation, you would want a defensive, pass-first, team leader, point guard like Rondo who can set up all of those scorers and can help anchor the defense on an otherwise defensively flawed team.

If I had either of those teams I'd shoot myself.

[The Messenger]

The question was "who would you rather have running the point"

This isn't which guard would you rather have. With Stuckey, you're getting another Shooting Guard if you already have one, cause his team leading skills are mediocre. That's what a "Point" anything is. It's the person who determines the tempo, the sets, and the execution. You can have a Point Forward, or a Point Center. What we're talking about is a Point Guard, and Stuckey isn't a Point Guard. He's a shooting guard. Just because he's called a Point Guard, doesn't make him one. If it looks like a shooting guard, plays like a shooting guard, it's a damn shooting guard.

I don't think you'll ever understand. How about we just move on.

[The Messenger]

I fully understand. I have a brain believe it or not.

What you're saying is Stuckey is better offensively, and if my team lacked offense, I would want Stuckey.

I understand that. Let's look at it another way though.

My team needs post scoring. So who would you rather have? A defensive minded Power Forward / Center, or Rodney Stuckey.

Stuckey is a Shooting Guard, and scores. But he doesn't "run the point" which is what the whole thread is about. Just like Stuckey doesn't have size, or post moves, so why would you take him over a defensive minded Forward / Center?

Not all point guards need to be the full blown leader of their team. Yes, Stuckey is traditionally a shooting guard, but he does possess the ability to play the point and is learning fast. His assist-to-turnover ratio isn't bad and there's games where he's shown the ability to run the point exceptionally.

But like I said, not all point guards need to be the full blown leader for their team. Guys like Jameer Nelson, Derek Fisher, Mo Williams (case can be made for Tony Parker) etc are very good point guards who are not the leaders of their teams.

If you put Rondo at point on the Cavs instead of Mo Williams, does he make them better? Hell no. Same goes for the Magic, Lakers, etc.

Rondo's a perfect fit for the way the Celtics are built. On other teams, he doesn't have the success he currently has and those team's don't have the success they currently have.

[Primetime]

Rondo would have success anywhere he went. He's proven he can be the scorer when he needs to be. He's the reason Boston hasn't lost this series already. Averaging 22/10/12 = Unheard of.

[Vinsane]

Rondo would have success anywhere he went. He's proven he can be the scorer when he needs to be. He's the reason Boston hasn't lost this series already. Averaging 22/10/12 = Unheard of.

Player, Pts, Rebound, Ast.

Oscar Robinson 28.8/11/11
Wilt Chamberlain 28.0/26.5/11.0
Magic Johnson 20.0/11.8/10.8
Fat Lever 17.0/11.0/10.3
Jason Kidd 17.5/11.2/10.2

Wilt averaged a triple double in a playoff series twice. Magic? Four times. Kidd? Twice.

= Heard of.

[FirstTimer]

Player, Pts, Rebound, Ast.

Oscar Robinson 28.8/11/11
Wilt Chamberlain 28.0/26.5/11.0
Magic Johnson 20.0/11.8/10.8
Fat Lever 17.0/11.0/10.3
Jason Kidd 17.5/11.2/10.2

Wilt averaged a triple double in a playoff series twice. Magic? Four times. Kidd? Twice.

= Heard of.

And all as "the guy" for their teams. Rondo is right now the third best player on the Celtics and with a healthy KG is the 4th guy.

Historical and logical perspective>>>>Rondo

[Maestro]

Stuckey is not a two guard, he is just a big guard that is asked to score. Just like what Billups was asked to do on the Pistons.

[Kuzzy Powers]

I'm not doubting Rondo's talent or his ability to make the Celtics what they are. I'm just stating the fact that this whole argument is flawed because Rondo and Stuckey are two completely different point guard and the only way to know the answer to the question is to already know who is on the team.

If you had this team...

SG: Raja Bell
SF: Peja Stojakovic
PF: Emeka Okafor
C: Ben Wallace

Who would you want on that team? Obviously you need a pure scorer who can pour it in from anywhere on the court.

SG: Morris Peterson
SF: Thaddeous Young
PF: Al Harrington
C: Mehmet Okur

In that situation, you would want a defensive, pass-first, team leader, point guard like Rondo who can set up all of those scorers and can help anchor the defense on an otherwise defensively flawed team.

Im kinda confused why you used Morris Peterson, who is a pretty solid defender.. in this example? Just wondering..

[Primetime]

Player, Pts, Rebound, Ast.

Oscar Robinson 28.8/11/11
Wilt Chamberlain 28.0/26.5/11.0
Magic Johnson 20.0/11.8/10.8
Fat Lever 17.0/11.0/10.3
Jason Kidd 17.5/11.2/10.2

Wilt averaged a triple double in a playoff series twice. Magic? Four times. Kidd? Twice.

= Heard of.

Obviously I was exaggerating. Even so, look at the company he is in. Some of the best players to ever play the game.