Falcons release Vick

[Senser81]

your right, you never said Vick was a disgrace to football on the field.

I did a poor job of wording there.

If by 'poor job of wording' you mean 'I added another phrase to what you said to completely change the meaning of your original statement, then I proceeded to argue this fictional point that I made up on my own'...then I agree. Poor wording.

I was trying to say that no matter what Vick had done on the gridiron, you come off as if you believe he is arguably one of the most terrible quarterbacks to ever walk on the field.

Again, just leave this thread. I never said Vick was one of the most terrible QBs to ever walk the field, I said he was one of the most overrated QBs to ever walk the field. I don't understand how you fail to see this.

[manchild24]

Id take him and let him play the slot or the wildcat formation. I still think he's a tremendous football player just sucked balls at QB

[ThunderHorse]

Yes he is a bust. You expect more from a QB who was supposed to carry your franchise for a decade, change the QB position, and win you championships. Instead you got a mediocore win %, he never progressed, you made ONE NFC Championship game, he's had a mediocore career so far and had a fall from grace the likes of which have never been seen in the NFL.

Vick is a bust.

So what? A lot of marginal QB's have won big games. Hell, Rex Grossman went to a Super Bowl, and had some good games in the playoffs for the Bears.

Sorry, not what I want the description of my No 1 overall draft pick to be in 7 years. Bust bust bust.

your right,

Mike Vick was terrible, a complete waste of air.

they should never speak his name in the NFL again, he was possibly the biggest bust in NFL history, he never did ANYTHING on the field worth value, he holds NO NFL records, he has NEVER led his team to a conference title game, he was not the first player to lead his team into green bay and beat them in the playoffs.

I'm glad every store had to burn their #7 jerseys after the dog fighting fiasco, this way children will never have to know the Horror that was Michael Vick.

[Senser81]

your right,

Mike Vick was terrible, a complete waste of air.

they should never speak his name in the NFL again, he was possibly the biggest bust in NFL history, he never did ANYTHING on the field worth value, he holds NO NFL records, he has NEVER led his team to a conference title game, he was not the first player to lead his team into green bay and beat them in the playoffs.

I'm glad every store had to burn their #7 jerseys after the dog fighting fiasco, this way children will never have to know the Horror that was Michael Vick.

The only NFL records that Vick holds are specific to QBs, and specific to a QBs rushing totals. Those records were held by Bobby Douglass, so that should tell you their significance. Also, Douglass still holds the record for QB single-season rushing yards per game, which is Vick's only notable accomplishment.

Vick had 117 yards passing in that Green Bay game. Wow.

[Rush]

your right,

Mike Vick was terrible, a complete waste of air.

they should never speak his name in the NFL again, he was possibly the biggest bust in NFL history, he never did ANYTHING on the field worth value, he holds NO NFL records, he has NEVER led his team to a conference title game, he was not the first player to lead his team into green bay and beat them in the playoffs.

I'm glad every store had to burn their #7 jerseys after the dog fighting fiasco, this way children will never have to know the Horror that was Michael Vick.

Rex Grossman led his team to a title game if that validates Vick's ability to play football. Grossman is the shit toooooooooOO!!!!!!!!!!!

[FirstTimer]

your right,

Mike Vick was terrible, a complete waste of air.

they should never speak his name in the NFL again, he was possibly the biggest bust in NFL history, he never did ANYTHING on the field worth value, he holds NO NFL records, he has NEVER led his team to a conference title game, he was not the first player to lead his team into green bay and beat them in the playoffs.

I'm glad every store had to burn their #7 jerseys after the dog fighting fiasco, this way children will never have to know the Horror that was Michael Vick.

Really? Seriously? Wow. I love this.

Me: Vick was a bust.

You: No he wasn't.

Me: Yes he was. You expect more from the #1 overall pick than the mediocre career Vick gave you.

You: *Imply I said Vick never did anything of value and one of the biggest busts ever*

I never said any of that. Simply because I say Vick was a bust doesn't mean I said he was the biggest bust in draft history. There were other bigger busts but that doesn't mean Vick wasn't still a bust.

Stop being so dramatic and just making shit up and making it seem as though I implied it.

LOL at he went to an NFC title game. Big fucking deal. Rex fucking Grossman went to Super Bowl and has the same exact career playoff record as Vick. Rex has won more big games than Vick.

Big fucking deal on his NFL Record for two reasons:
1. The yardage total his skewed because his 300+ lost yards on sacks came off his passing total and not his rushing.

2. The record he broke was held by Bobby Douglass. Bobby Fucking Douglass. Showing that it is possible that a crappy/marginal player can hold a record.

[ThunderHorse]

Rex Grossman led his team to a title game if that validates Vick's ability to play football. Grossman is the shit toooooooooOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Difference was, and you've said it yourself in the past,

Rex wasn't leading the team, Rexy's defense were winning those games.

same doesn't apply for Mikey and the dirty birds. they weren't known for having a kick ass D and a return man that had everyone shitting in their hands trying to figure out how the hell not to kick to him.

[FirstTimer]

Difference was, and you've said it yourself in the past,

Rex wasn't leading the team, Rexy's defense were winning those games.

same doesn't apply for Mikey and the dirty birds. they weren't known for having a kick ass D and a return man that had everyone shitting in their hands trying to figure out how the hell not to kick to him.

Ha! The Bears defense the second half of that 2006 season was very average at times and Rex made some big plays in the playoffs to help those teams win. Not to mention Vick had one of the best rushing games in the NFL dutring his time there and they were ranked near the bottom of the league in passing.

[ThunderHorse]

Really? Seriously? Wow. I love this.

Me: Vick was a bust.

You: No he wasn't.

Me: Yes he was. You expect more from the #1 overall pick than the mediocre career Vick gave you.

You: *Imply I said Vick never did anything of value and one of the biggest busts ever*

I never said any of that. Simply because I say Vick was a bust doesn't mean I said he was the biggest bust in draft history. There were other bigger busts but that doesn't mean Vick wasn't still a bust.

Stop being so dramatic and just making shit up and making it seem as though I implied it.

LOL at he went to an NFC title game. Big fucking deal. Rex fucking Grossman went to Super Bowl and has the same exact career playoff record as Vick. Rex has won more big games than Vick.

Big fucking deal on his NFL Record for two reasons:
1. The yardage total his skewed because his 300+ lost yards on sacks came off his passing total and not his rushing.

2. The record he broke was held by Bobby Douglass. Bobby Fucking Douglass. Showing that it is possible that a crappy/marginal player can hold a record.

That's just it, Bust insinuates he did not do anything for his team in a positive sense.

Vick did do positive things for Atlanta

Ron Dayne did nothing for New York

Ryan Leaf did nothing for San Diego

Brian Bosworth did nothing for Seattle

the list goes on and on.

if anything, it's a differen't opinion on what insuates or makes a player a "bust".

I don't think vick was a bust, I don't think he completely lived up to the hype, but Atlanta wanted a guy that could win games, they got a guy who took them to the playoffs multiple years and even had a conference title game appearence, he holds NFL records, whatever they may be, and he was more often then not an electrifying player on the field.

Wasn't a great player, maybe not even a good player, but the guy won some big games. and not because he had a supporting cast.

[Senser81]

That's just it, Bust insinuates he did not do anything for his team in a positive sense.

Vick did do positive things for Atlanta

Ron Dayne did nothing for New York

Ryan Leaf did nothing for San Diego

Brian Bosworth did nothing for Seattle

the list goes on and on.

if anything, it's a differen't opinion on what insuates or makes a player a "bust".

I don't think vick was a bust, I don't think he completely lived up to the hype, but Atlanta wanted a guy that could win games, they got a guy who took them to the playoffs multiple years and even had a conference title game appearence, he holds NFL records, whatever they may be, and he was more often then not an electrifying player on the field.

Wasn't a great player, maybe not even a good player, but the guy won some big games. and not because he had a supporting cast.

Do you have anything of substance to add to the conversation? You seem to be glossing over the details on all things Vick and just pointing out some vague team accomplishments and half-ass ESPN records.

[ThunderHorse]

Ha! The Bears defense the second half of that 2006 season was very average at times and Rex made some big plays in the playoffs to help those teams win. Not to mention Vick had one of the best rushing games in the NFL dutring his time there and they were ranked near the bottom of the league in passing.

yes

Rex Grossman, his 73.2 passer rating, his 3 interceptions and his 3 fumbles make him the guy that lead Chicago through the playoffs.

thanks for clarifying that.

vick had a 125.5 rating against the rams in his divisional game, along with rushing for 120 yards. and throwing 2 touchdowns.

but he, in fact, did not lead his team to a win that game.

okay. I get it now.

EDIT -

no that's wrong,

Vick leading his team to win that game, apparently equates to what Grossman did in the playoffs in 06

there.

[FirstTimer]

That's just it, Bust insinuates he did not do anything for his team in a positive sense.

Uhh no it doesn't.

A bust is a pick that does not live up to expectations. Vick did not.

He is a bust.

If you are the #1 pick in the draft and you go on to have mediocre the career Vick had. You are a bust.



Plus factor in they passed on LT for him and it doesn't help his case.

Vick did do positive things for Atlanta

Ron Dayne did nothing for New York

Ryan Leaf did nothing for San Diego

Brian Bosworth did nothing for Seattle

the list goes on and on.

You're picking the lowest common denominator and going with that. Way to sink to the lowest level.

There have been plenty of other 1st Rders that have done a few thigns for their team but never lived up to expectations and gone away. Does that make them huge monumental all time busts like the clowns you mentioned? No. Does it make them busts nonetheless? Yes.

What is so hard to understand about that?

I don't think vick was a bust,

Well then you are wrong.

but Atlanta wanted a guy that could win games,

LOL! Yeah, I'm sure on draft day when they traded up for him that the Atlanta War Room simply wanted a guy who "win games". There was no talk of him leading the franchise for years and winning championships. They should have saved themselves the trouble and just traded for Jay Fiedler.

they got a guy who took them to the playoffs multiple years and even had a conference title game appearence,

LOL at using "multiple years to make it seem like more than it was. It was two seasons. None since 2004 and a whopping ONE NFC title game. Big fucking deal.

he holds NFL records

He holds one. Breaking the record of the immortal Bobby Douglass.

Wasn't a great player, maybe not even a good player

Are you dense? You're saying a #1 overall pick that may not have even been a good player was not a bust? Are you retarded? Seriously.

but the guy won some big games.

I can't name any.....

and not because he had a supporting cast.

ha! The Falcons passing stunk with Vick there and he always had one of the top rushing games in the league behind him. STFU

[Senser81]

yes

Rex Grossman, his 73.2 passer rating, his 3 interceptions and his 3 fumbles make him the guy that lead Chicago through the playoffs.

thanks for clarifying that.

vick had a 125.5 rating against the rams in his divisional game, along with rushing for 120 yards. and throwing 2 touchdowns.

but he, in fact, did not lead his team to a win that game.

okay. I get it now.

EDIT -

no that's wrong,

Vick leading his team to win that game, apparently equates to what Grossman did in the playoffs in 06

there.

Come on! I agree that the shining accomplishment in Vick's career was defeating the 8-8 Rams in the divisional round of the playoffs, but stop pretending like the Rams were the 1978 Steelers. The Rams were horrible. They were so bad that Vick threw for only 82 yards and they still got pounded.

Again, if you are just going to tell half-truths, then just STFU because this has already been covered 100 times.

[stevsta]

comon rams pick him up our franchise is fucked up anyways

[Houston]