Crabtree prepared to sit out 2009 season, re-enter 2010 draft

[St. Francisco]

1. This is a non-issue, as far as I'm concerned. Name one player drafted top ten who has been fucking stupid enough to sit out an entire year and re-enter the draft? Not only does Crabtree sit out of football for too long, but he will also leave a bad taste in the mouths of any teams interested in him. Afterall, how do you know he won't demand the same ridiculous things out of your team? It's either a bluff, or an all-out lie. Either way, Crabs will sign a contract...it might be late (see JaMarcus Russell), but he'll be in red and gold.

2. This in no way justifies the Raiders drafting a WR they could've EASILY drafted late in the first round. DHB was not worth the 7th overall pick. I don't give a fuck if he ends up being a superstar...the simple fact of the matter is that Oakland overpaid, and missed out on extra draft picks.

3. Top ten rookie contract negotiations are always long and drawn out (for the majority of the players). The only reason this is even an issue is because a family member went running his mouth to the press. Let's not go labeling Crabtree a team cancer just yet...how about we wait and see him play a game or two?

[SHOGUN]

??? I'd love to have Dwayne Bowe on my team.

I'm sure you would as your team's receiver core is full of scrubs.

But seriously, Dwayne Bowe is a quality receiver but I wouldn't consider him elite.

And even through all this riff-raff, this doesn't justify picking DHB over Lobsterbush.

[Yawkey Way]

remember guys like Mike Williams when they took a year away from the game?

[Tailback U]

You guys are missing the point. I'm not trying to justify the Raiders drafting DHB at 7, you can't justify that.

I am, however, glad the Raiders took DHB over Crabtree at this point because of the baggage that comes with Crabtree. Even if DHB turns out to be Joey Galloway and Crabtree turns out to be TO, I'll still be happy with the pick because I hate prima donna faggots.

[NAHSTE]

You guys are missing the point. I'm not trying to justify the Raiders drafting DHB at 7, you can't justify that.

I am, however, glad the Raiders took DHB over Crabtree at this point because of the baggage that comes with Crabtree. Even if DHB turns out to be Joey Galloway and Crabtree turns out to be TO, I'll still be happy with the pick because I hate prima donna faggots.

Well obviously if DHB becomes Joey Galloway you'd be happy, because that's his best case scenario. But the choice should not have been between Crabtree and DHB, it should have been between Crabtree and anyone else because DHB was a huge reach.

I can understand if you want to point to character concerns as a reason to not draft a guy, but it doesn't justify who you did in fact select in his place.

(I realize you agree with this, just clowning on the Raiders I guess, lol)

[The Messenger]

I get what you're saying, you don't seem to get what I'm saying. Sure Crabtree would have been paid in Oakland so this wouldn't be happening had the Raiders drafted him, but he would have blown up sooner or later. Just a matter of time really.

And if you think this is the last time you are going to see Michael Crabtree acting like a prima donna bitch then we just have totally different perceptions of this guy and we'll just have to wait and see.

No, I completely understand what you are saying, but like I said it's not a certainty. And mostly every single wide receiver that's worth a damn acts like a prima donna bitch at some time. That doesn't necessarily mean he's going to act like a big enough bitch to destroy the team. Very few men are capable of doing that.

Most people also fail to understand that the NFL is a business. If you feel you are a lot better at doing your job than Steve, and both you and Steve have the same experience doing the job, but Steve just got paid more than you, aren't you going to tell your boss you feel you deserve more? I know from personal experience that my dad has walked into his boss's office before and said, "I want this much more an hour, I want these days off, and I want a guarantee of this many hours every week or I'm gone." They gave him everything he wanted and more, and he knew he could do it because he knew they needed him. And they knew they needed him and they knew if they didn't give him what he wanted that he could go to any other mechanic shop and get what he wanted. That's essentially the same thing that's going on here with Crabtree, and it's just business.

[NAHSTE]

I don't really understand how that could be his best case scenario. He hasn't played a down in the NFL. Who's to say that he doesn't shock the world and become a great WR. Especially since the things he has trouble with (hands, route running to an extent etc.) are all fixable with work. It's not like he's 5'9 and will never get taller. If he puts in the work, what's stopping him from being great?

Not saying that will happen. Just don't understand the whole best case thing when he hasn't played yet.

It's called a projection. Based on his skills, his expectations to me, are, at best, a Joey Galloway type of WR. Which is nothing to sneeze at, Galloway has had a decent career, if not spectacular.

Sure, there's no telling and he could exceed expectations, but to me, those expectations are low.

But the things you mention (hands, route running, etc.) are things that people either have or don't have IMO. You can improve on them, but if you haven't shored up these weaknesses by the time you are a college junior/senior, you will get exposed by NFL competition.

[Realist]

No, I completely understand what you are saying, but like I said it's not a certainty. And mostly every single wide receiver that's worth a damn acts like a prima donna bitch at some time. That doesn't necessarily mean he's going to act like a big enough bitch to destroy the team. Very few men are capable of doing that.

Most people also fail to understand that the NFL is a business. If you feel you are a lot better at doing your job than Steve, and both you and Steve have the same experience doing the job, but Steve just got paid more than you, aren't you going to tell your boss you feel you deserve more? I know from personal experience that my dad has walked into his boss's office before and said, "I want this much more an hour, I want these days off, and I want a guarantee of this many hours every week or I'm gone." They gave him everything he wanted and more, and he knew he could do it because he knew they needed him. And they knew they needed him and they knew if they didn't give him what he wanted that he could go to any other mechanic shop and get what he wanted. That's essentially the same thing that's going on here with Crabtree, and it's just business.

I disagree. Neither Crabtree or DHB have proved anything in this league. Your dad proved he was a better mechanic than the next guy and could demand what he wanted. 5 years from now if Crabtree proves to be better than DHB(and DHB gets a nice payday again), THEN he can demand more money (of course this is if their careers are linked 5 years from now). 49ers own Crabtree, not the other way around. 49ers hold all the cards here, not Crabtree or his agent. Why? because Crab hasnt done SH-T yet and they really have no angle to argue with that actually holds water.

If Crab sits, do you really think he will go top 10 next year? Under league rules, he is the property of the 49ers until draft day next year. He can't work out for any other team or go to the combine. Add to the fact that he would be sitting out a year, I seriously doubt he would get paid more money next year. This would be stupid on his part.

[mgoblue2290]

remember guys like Mike Williams when they took a year away from the game?

All to well. Just another genius Millen move.

[St. Francisco]

I disagree. Neither Crabtree or DHB have proved anything in this league. Your dad proved he was a better mechanic than the next guy and could demand what he wanted. 5 years from now if Crabtree proves to be better than DHB(and DHB gets a nice payday again), THEN he can demand more money (of course this is if their careers are linked 5 years from now). 49ers own Crabtree, not the other way around. 49ers hold all the cards here, not Crabtree or his agent. Why? because Crab hasnt done SH-T yet and they really have no angle to argue with that actually holds water.

If Crab sits, do you really think he will go top 10 next year? Under league rules, he is the property of the 49ers until draft day next year. He can't work out for any other team or go to the combine. Add to the fact that he would be sitting out a year, I seriously doubt he would get paid more money next year. This would be stupid on his part.

Exactly. Crabtree and his agent are well aware of the fact that if they sit out for an entire year, and re-enter the draft in 2010, they'll get nowhere near the amount of money the 49ers are even offering, much less what they want. It is not a wise financial decision any way you slice it.

He'll sign.

[FedEx227]

The NFLPA will never accept a rookie pay scale, sadly. It'll be VERY hard for them to pass it. I think they should, but I just don't think they will.

[JeremyHight]

The NFLPA will never accept a rookie pay scale, sadly. It'll be VERY hard for them to pass it. I think they should, but I just don't think they will.

There are many rumblings by current players that there needs to be one. The big pro for current players is that less money given to rookies means more money to proven veterans. Incoming rookies may not like it, but then again, incoming rookies aren't a part of the NFLPA voting.

[Senser81]

The NFLPA will never accept a rookie pay scale, sadly. It'll be VERY hard for them to pass it. I think they should, but I just don't think they will.

Why would they never accept a rookie pay scale? They already accepted a salary cap. The NFLPA is only screwing over their own constituency by having rookie salaries out of proportion with the veteran salaries.

[Prodigal Son]

The NFLPA will never accept a rookie pay scale, sadly. It'll be VERY hard for them to pass it. I think they should, but I just don't think they will.

Funny, because I've heard that many players want the pay scale.

[Sportsbuck]

He better sign before the NFL make a rookie pay scale based on the picked you were selected.
How awesome would it be if Michael Grabtree got drafted next year and made only the minimum under the new scale. He is easily losing millions

That won't happen until the current CBA expires...