H.S. Football Team Leaves Field Celebrating, Loses Game

[EmpireWF]

he is no longer the holder when the Kicker kick the ball....therefore he is down....when was that question asked?

answer:2007 when a person asked why FG count if your down when the holder knee is on the ground...That answer does not coincide with this situation....

Nope, doesn't matter. The fact the holder's knee is down means nothing. The ball remains live.

[bringbackjimmy]

he is no longer the holder once the ball is Kicked.

[BigHouseUSA]

That's only like 30 minutes from me.

I can't believe no one on the field knew that rule.

[bringbackjimmy]

Btw a blocked K(that doesn't cross the LOS) is considered a fumble as both teams can advance the ball...

people need to know the difference when a Kick is blocked and when the ball is snapped. The holder is only allowed to have his knee on the ground while holding for a K.

[EmpireWF]

As far as I know the holder is in a special situation b/c he is the holder. His knee never came off the ground until he secured the ball and he was never touched by a defending player.

The refs never blew the whistle, thus never killing the play.

[gaysex4lif]

Miggy I think you and your cousin need to practice a little more.

[bringbackjimmy]

As far as I know the holder is in a special situation b/c he is the holder. His knee never came off the ground until he secured the ball and he was never touched by a defending player.

The refs never blew the whistle, thus never killing the play.

hence why i said the refs made a bad call....they probably didn't notice what the hell was going on to watch the knee.

1.once blocked it now becomes a fumble.
2.now that its a fumble the holder doesn't need to be touched to be considered down.

this is probably how the refs talked it through

ump: WTF just happend/
ref 1:well the red team has the ball after it was blocked and ran it in
ref 2:well i believe the ball is still live if it didn't go past the LOS
UMP: did anybody see when they picked it up or if they were down when they did?
ref 1&2: No i just saw the white team going crazy
UMP:Touchdown

[Senser81]

hence why i said the refs made a bad call....they probably didn't notice what the hell was going on to watch the knee.

Wow, you are really grasping at straws here. The refs made the correct call, yet to you they made a "bad call" (albeit correct) because they probably didn't watch the holder's knee?

LOL at "he is no longer the holder when the kicker kicks the ball"...huh? So, on a fake FG, the holder should really be down when he is snapped the ball and his knee is already on the ground because he is not really the holder, because the team isn't really kicking a FG.

Regardless of what happens, when the holder kneels down to receive the snap, his knee does not make him down. On the play in question, the holder never stood up, grabbed the ball, then kneeled back down. He was still kneeling down when he grabbed the ball, and, by rule, he is not considered down.

[EmpireWF]

B/c his knee never came off the ground, he is still allowed to touch the ball with it remaining a live ball.

The play never died.

[Youk]

This guy has less of an argument than ramjackson29 did about parity.

You keep missing the one MAJOR point. He is still considered the holder because he didn't get up, then get the ball, then go to his knees. If he did that, then it's a whole different situation. He was still considered the holder, making it a completely live ball, not dead.

[bringbackjimmy]

you guys are wrong, but hey nothing i can do will change that so i am done...

[EmpireWF]

Where's your proof?

[Youk]

Where's your proof?

His proof is one year of Junior Varisty High School football.

[bringbackjimmy]

It's basic football knowledge...

it's not really hard to comprehend that once the ball is Kicked(leaves the holders hands) the Holder is no longer the holder..there for normal rules apply for him as it would on a handoff or catch...

[USCChifan]

What a dumb and horrible mistake. You should know that if you block a kick, the ball is live, like a fumble.