Did MJD kneeling at the 1 hurt your fantasy team?

[Archer]

Look at my previous post for your answer. As far as I know, there's a better percentage of making that field goal then stopping a team on a two-minute offense.

Probably is but most teams who do this sort of thing do it when they are level or up a point or two .

Why risk a botched snap , missed fg , block when you have a 100% chance of taking the lead by walking into the endzone

It's crazy that people can consider this a smart call to me , especially when a team is losing the game . It may have been good on the day but in no way could it ever be called smart

So let me get this straight ... you're willing to risk the whole game on one snap because you're scared a rookie qb who's playing like shit is going to drive 80 yards on you? Take the lead every time

[BigHouseUSA]

I told you why risk it. Because it's a lot easier for a team to hit a 21-year field goal than to stop a 2-minute drill.

I'd much rather leave it in the hands of my team than theirs.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Yes, just as many things, if not more can go wrong while defending a two-minute offense.

We've seen it this year more than ever (or so it seems), that two-minute offenses are extremely effective. Whether it's defenses playing prevent, or just more options being created.

So if the same amount of things can go wrong why not take your chances while you're winning the game rather than while you're losing? There literally would be outcry in all of Jacksonville if that kick is missed when they could've had the lead if MJD just went into the end zone. Not taking a clear cut lead IMO is a bad move.

[BigHouseUSA]

so just to be clear, all those people that think it was the smart play, what would you have said if there was a high snap on the fg attempt and the final 3 seconds run off the gameclock and the jags lose? All because they chose to not score a touchdown that was gifted to them.

I guess they lose, but I still like the idea. What would be saying if the Jets drove down the field and scored?

I'd like to see the stats too, but I'm positive there's only been one missed field goal from that distance this year, and I know the percentage of succesful two-minute drives is higher.

[BigHouseUSA]

So if the same amount of things can go wrong why not take your chances while you're winning the game rather than while you're losing? There literally would be outcry in all of Jacksonville if that kick is missed when they could've had the lead if MJD just went into the end zone. Not taking a clear cut lead IMO is a bad move.

Because, like I said, it seems to be a lot easier for a team to march down the field and score quickly than it is to miss a short field goal like that.

I don't trust any defense inside two minutes.

[Archer]

Because, like I said, it seems to be a lot easier for a team to march down the field and score quickly than it is to miss a short field goal like that.

I don't trust any defense inside two minutes.

Depending on the Kickoff the Jets would most likely of had a 20-30% chance of scoring a TD based on the NFL average

Take into account that they would have had less than 2minutes and a rookie QB also .

A rookie QB who has NEVER scored a game winning touchdown in the 2minute drill yet

[BigHouseUSA]

Depending on the Kickoff the Jets would most likely of had a 20-30% chance of scoring a TD based on the NFL average

Take into account that they would have had less than 2minutes and a rookie QB also .

A rookie QB who has NEVER scored a game winning touchdown in the 2minute drill yet

How many 2-minute drill's has he had so far?

[Archer]

How many 2-minute drill's has he had so far?

Probably none ;)

I don't think you make the call when you are behind .... you should always take the lead when it's presented but maybe I'm old fashioned like that

It can't really be compared to the BW situation becuase he dived down when his team was up four which led to the Eagles milking the whole game out

[BigHouseUSA]

Probably none ;)

I don't think you make the call when you are behind .... you should always take the lead when it's presented but maybe I'm old fashioned like that

You must be, because I understand the concept behind that, but I think that's just conventional thinking, which isn't always right.

[Obst]

The Jets punished us right before our last drive. And they pretty much punished us that whole second half. Braylon Edwards made two big catches (one he fumbled but still ran like 30 yards) and our defense was beyond tired. Scobee was 19/20 on the year for extra points, so there was a very good chance he was making a 20 yarder to end the game. The only thing I would of rather seen was when MJD took the knee, they milked the clock to about 15 seconds and ran another play to try to score. That way when we scored there would of been around 10 seconds on the clock opposed to scoring when he had the chance, they would of had around 35-40 seconds left. So I wish they would of given MJD one more chance with less time left, and if he doesn't get in then you call a timeout and kick the FG. But they won none the less and it was a very impressive drive.

[BigHouseUSA]

id say the jags defense sucks and they deserved to lose.

Its not just the chances of a missed fg attempt, its the chances of MJD fumbling the ball while going down instead of going into the endzone, its the chances of 3 bad snaps and possible turnovers on them, its the chances of a blocked fg.

and i do think the percentage of successful 2 min drives shouldnt be a default number across the league, as there is a vast difference between peyton running a 2 min drill and a rookie qb, esp when a touchdown is needed and said rookie qb had 3 turnovers in the game.

Well, if the Jags D sucks, then why wouldn't they keep them off the field?

You have those same chances of error on every play you run, by that logic you shouldn't even play the game because of the risks involved.

Mentioning Manning and the dangers of a 2-minute drill, but not Henne, whose played less games than Sanchez has, and won his team the game off of a late drive this weekend?

[BigHouseUSA]

i didnt say the jags d sucks, as I think they could have stopped the jets from scoring a td.

yeah sure you do run those risks on every play you run, the difference being that a play was in place to score a touchdown, and would have, but they instead chose to add more plays upon which things could go wrong.

guaranteed 6 points > risk of no points

as for Henne, he may have less games than sanchez has, tho I think its actually even in terms of games played, tho sanchez assuredly has more starts, henne did have a year to learn in the nfl that sanchez didnt

More to the point Henne only had to get his team in place for a FG, not a TD. For that matter he also got a 27 yard run by Williams, to make it a 25 yard fg attempt as opposed to a 50ish. The bucs are also assuredly worse than the jaguars and it can be presumed that it is tougher to score a 2 min drill touchdown vs the jags, than a 2 min drill fg vs the bucs.

Unfortunately, football is more than just greater than and less than signs. There's a lot of that goes into that what you see on the surface.

Mentioning Henne was just making a point that (almost) any NFL QB can lead a two-minute drive, whether they have weapons around them or they make it happen themselves.

As Britrock already mentioned, the Jags were playing the percentages. It doesn't always come to do scoring because you can when there's a different option you can take that gives you a better chance to win. Especially one that keeps the ball in your hands.

[BigHouseUSA]

and if henne had needed/scored a touchdown it might actually apply to the conversation at hand.

Seeing as how he knew he only needed to get in range for a field goal that changes everything about the drive and makes it irrelevant in a discussion of how likely it is to have a game winning touchdown drive in the final 2 minutes.

Not really, considering they still had more than a minute left to move the ball 25-yards to score. It's just an example of how easy it is to move the ball in a 2-minute offense.

[DSpydr84]

It was an extra point. The Jets had a far better chance of scoring on the next drive than the Jags had of missing the kick. Take a knee, kill the clock, kick the ball. Love it.

[BigHouseUSA]

I looked on NFL.com, and said 1:04 next to the play, which was the TOP. My mistake.

Like I said, the whole reason I brought up Henne was to show how easy it is for any QB to lead a game winning drive, regardless of how many games they played.

I understand what you're saying, but I'd much rather have to kick a 21-yard field goal then give the other team 2 minutes and another chance to score.