General Ramblings on Weis and Notre Dame

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  • FirstTimer
    Freeman Error

    • Feb 2009
    • 18729

    #16
    Originally posted by Sportsbuck
    This is basically what I've read... the AD wanted Kelly, the board wanted Patterson because he fits the ND image better, and the AD won.
    Not sure how Kelly doesn't fit the image better? He's Irish Catholic and from the Northeast. There some "slime" issues? I don't know a ton about the guy personally TBH
    Last edited by FirstTimer; 11-27-2009, 04:52 PM.

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    • BazookaJoe5
      Formerly ravensownall17
      • Feb 2009
      • 1490

      #17
      Originally posted by Nukleopatra
      What's this Brian Billick shit they mentioned at halftime?
      I saw that too. Somewhere, jamesinmadison is smiling...

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      • FirstTimer
        Freeman Error

        • Feb 2009
        • 18729

        #18
        Originally posted by Nukleopatra
        What's this Brian Billick shit they mentioned at halftime?
        I think that pretty much sums up exactly what it is.

        Nothing to that stuff at all.

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        • Sportsbuck
          Buckeye For Life
          • Dec 2008
          • 3045

          #19
          Originally posted by Firsttimer
          Not sure how Kelly doesn't fit the image better? He's Irish Catholic and from the Northeast. There some "slime" issues? I don't know a ton about the guy personally TBH
          Slime/character issues from what I've heard... I don't know the specifics but there is a reason why he wasn't even considered for an interview by Michigan State or Michigan (And given his success in that state at GVSU and Central Michigan that says a lot).

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          • FirstTimer
            Freeman Error

            • Feb 2009
            • 18729

            #20
            Originally posted by Sportsbuck
            Slime/character issues from what I've heard... I don't know the specifics but there is a reason why he wasn't even considered for an interview by Michigan State or Michigan (And given his success in that state at GVSU and Central Michigan that says a lot).
            That's not good. I'd rather not have him here then if he has those issues. Sounds like it's too late for that. I've tried finding anything I can on him and his issues but can't find a damn thing. If anyone finds anything let me know.

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            • FirstTimer
              Freeman Error

              • Feb 2009
              • 18729

              #21
              Now there is a report saying Bob Stoops is at the top of AD Jack Swarbrick's list.



              Pretty good article on the Top 4 Candidates.

              Just talked to a few people and they pretty much confirmed that the Stoops rumors are picking up steam....picking up validity? Who knows? It is very interesting to say the least.
              Last edited by FirstTimer; 11-28-2009, 07:33 PM.

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              • Esjay
                Luck2Hilton
                • Feb 2009
                • 2328

                #22
                Originally posted by Firsttimer
                Now there is a report saying Bob Stoops is at the top of AD Jack Swarbrick's list.



                Pretty good article on the Top 4 Candidates.

                Just talked to a few people and they pretty much confirmed that the Stoops rumors are picking up steam....picking up validity? Who knows? It is very interesting to say the least.
                Real good article. I really think ND should hire Kelly.

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                • Sportsbuck
                  Buckeye For Life
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 3045

                  #23
                  Did anyone else LOL at this (in bold)?

                  Reasons to snub ND: Stoops' twin boys and daughters love Norman, Okla., and have passed the age when moving is no big deal. ... Wife Carol is a powerhouse in the cosmetics business for Mary Kay. ... Stoops wants to win three national titles at OU, like Bud Wilkinson and Barry Switzer did. He's two short of that now.

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                  • longhornfan
                    Carpe Diem
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 732

                    #24
                    I don't understand why Stoops would leave OU just for the single fact that he wouldn't be able to recruit Texas as hard anymore.

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                    • FirstTimer
                      Freeman Error

                      • Feb 2009
                      • 18729

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Sportsbuck
                      Did anyone else LOL at this (in bold)?
                      Yeah. I find it funny that Stoops' wife's booming Mary Kay business would keep him from taking one of the premier jobs in all of college sports.

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                      • FirstTimer
                        Freeman Error

                        • Feb 2009
                        • 18729

                        #26
                        It will also be interesting to see if Notre Dame even accepts a bowl bid now at 6-6. Weis is gone and so is the rest of the staff. If you fire Weis he wouldn't be able to coach in the bowl game and the you have no one to call the offensive plays. Tenuta or Brown wouldn't coach it as the defense is awful so how the hell could they expect run the whole team when they can't even get the defense right.

                        Plus ND has nothing to gain from going to a bowl this year. It will be another mid to lower tier bowl against a middle tier program and if ND loses then it's just one more issue this year.

                        They went to Hawaii last year but they knew Weis was going to be around and there was some cohesion heading into the next season. Now everything is a mess.

                        It will be interesting to see what they do.
                        Last edited by FirstTimer; 11-29-2009, 03:37 PM.

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                        • Tailback U
                          No substitute 4 strength.
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 10282

                          #27
                          Doesn't the program get some money for accepting a bowl bid?

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                          • FirstTimer
                            Freeman Error

                            • Feb 2009
                            • 18729

                            #28
                            More general news and notes:

                            -Rumors are that Stoops could be in South Bend as early as today to interview for the job. From Tony Barnhart, CBS Sports. Stoops has since denied the rumor. But it's still interesting. It's 2:42 CST. Do you know where your Bob Stoops is?

                            -Weis is rumored to have cleaned out his office BEFORE the team even went to Stanford after Swarbrick told Weis last week that it would be best if Weis and the university went separate ways.

                            -Clausen is most likely heading to the NFL according to most any sources. Last night after the game he reportedly gave his helmet to his brother to keep as a souvenir of his career.

                            -Also, on the Clausen front people who have never liked the kid have begun piling on calling him "aloof" and saying "half the team" likes Dayne Crist better and wanted him starting.

                            ND is down and people are piling on anybody they can or anyone they don't like. You even had one reported wondering by Clausen wasn't suspended for what happened outside CJ's last weekend. LOL.

                            Whatever. Clausen was an amazing leader this year and the team believed in him whenever he had the ball. Tate, Floyd, the Oline, everyone that I have ver heard speak has had a high opinion of him and a fw guys I know on the team have never even spoke about him with any inkling of the team not being behind him.

                            -Tate was crushed last night after the loss. Openly crying. It's still up in the air if he is going to go to the NFL(I'd put the odds at about 60-40 he goes pro, but another year in college working on his route running may help.

                            Either way the kid should be in New York as a Heisman finalist. It would be tough for anyone to make the case that he wasn't one of the three or four best players in college football this year regardless of Notre Dame's record as none of those losses had anything to do with Tate.

                            Originally posted by Tailback U
                            Doesn't the program get some money for accepting a bowl bid?
                            Yeah but with ND having it's own TV contract money is not as much of an issue for the school. At this point IMO the school will save itself the possible embarrassment of an ugly bowl loss rather than just go to a bowl for money they don't really need.
                            Last edited by FirstTimer; 11-29-2009, 03:42 PM.

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                            • Tailback U
                              No substitute 4 strength.
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 10282

                              #29
                              So let me get this straight.

                              You don't want ND to go to a mediocre bowl game because you scared that they may get their asses kicked?

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                              • FirstTimer
                                Freeman Error

                                • Feb 2009
                                • 18729

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Tailback U
                                So let me get this straight.

                                You don't want ND to go to a mediocre bowl game because you scared that they may get their asses kicked?
                                No. Not what I said at all/not the point I was trying to make.


                                What I said is that it's a no win situation for them. There's no bonus in going to the bowl game. Notre Dame doesn't need the money so that's not an issue. If they win people shrug and still say they suck and are a joke. If they lose, by 1(which would still be an ugly loss when looking at the type of program they would face in the bowl) or by 20, it's just another embarrassment this season. There's no benefit to a Notre Dame team in disarray going to a bowl game. Last time it happened after the Ty firing Oregon State blew them out.

                                I have no doubt Notre Dame could handle Central Michigan or whoever the MAC would send to whatever shit bowl ND gets into, but there's really no benefit in taking the risk of yet another embarrassing loss to a program already in turmoil. A win does nothing for anyone, and a loss is just one more kick in the nuts in a season full of them.
                                Last edited by FirstTimer; 11-29-2009, 08:30 PM.

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