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Wrong. Done by five different players: Eric Dickerson, Terrell Davis, Jamal Lewis, Barry Sanders, and (I think I might be wrong about this) O.J. Simpson. Only Sanders and Davis won the MVP and I think Sanders was shared, funny enough, by Favre.
If he breaks 2,000, he deserves Offensive Player of the Year, NOT MVP. Jamal Lewis didn't win it and Dickerson (the record holder) didn't win it either. The team's record or start doesn't make CJ's accomplishments any more impressive.
I still believe the MVP is Peyton Manning. I'm having difficulty giving it to Favre or Brees because they're both backed by two of the best running games in the NFL. All three QBs have been back by amazing defensive play as well, but the Colts just don't have the running attack that the Vikings or Saints have, which is why I can't just say that Favre or Brees are the MVP.
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Actually, it is unheard of.
Favre's TD-INT ratio would go down as the 2nd greatest of all time.
A: Think a lot of people have been waiting for the bottom to fall out for a while now, Shaun. But to that, I give you this: Favre now has 24 touchdown passes and still only three interceptions -- an 8-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio. Through 11 games, the 8-1 TD-INT ratio is the second-best in NFL history. Only six quarterbacks have ever had a TD-INT ratio above 4 for a season. So basically, and amazingly, Favre now has the chance to have the greatest TD-INT ratio in NFL history -- one more record for him.
The quarterbacks all-time with a 4.0-plus TD-INT ratio for an entire season with a minimum of 20 TD passes:
PLAYER TEAM YEAR TD/INT RATIO
Tom Brady New England 2007 6.25 (50 TDs, 8 INTs)
Steve DeBerg Kansas City 1990 5.75 (23 TDs, 4 INTs)
Peyton Manning Indianapolis 2004 4.90 (49 TDs, 10 INTs)
Steve Bartkowski Atlanta 1983 4.40 (22 TDs, 5 INTs)
Milt Plum Cleveland 1960 4.20 (21 TDs, 5 INTs)
Vinny Testaverde New York Jets 1998 4.14 (29 TDs, 7 INTs)
Based on that, don't know that the bottom is going to be falling out anytime soon.
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I knew it was 5 but when I checked here: http://www.nfl.com/history/randf/records/indiv/rushing, only the top 3 were listed. My mistake.
That's like saying the Vikings record or Favre's age shouldn't make his accomplishments any more impressive.If he breaks 2,000, he deserves Offensive Player of the Year, NOT MVP. Jamal Lewis didn't win it and Dickerson (the record holder) didn't win it either. The team's record or start doesn't make CJ's accomplishments any more impressive.
I understand what you're saying but in that case Peyton Manning should be named MVP pretty much every single year.I still believe the MVP is Peyton Manning. I'm having difficulty giving it to Favre or Brees because they're both backed by two of the best running games in the NFL. All three QBs have been back by amazing defensive play as well, but the Colts just don't have the running attack that the Vikings or Saints have, which is why I can't just say that Favre or Brees are the MVP.
I'm not saying Johnson should be named MVP just yet, but the fact that he isn't even being mentioned in most circles is disappointing.Comment
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We've seen QBs, especially since today's rules favor the passing game, post some amazing TD-INT ratios.
While his TD-INT ratio is incredible, it shouldn't be alone be enough to give him the MVP.
Drew Brees has more yards, more TDs, basically the same completion percentage, and a higher QB rating (112.6).
Manning has as many TDs, 1% higher completion, nearly 600 more yards, and a QB Rating of 102.5.
Again, while Favre is having an amazing season and I wouldn't mind if he was named MVP, the top quarterbacks have incredible statistics year in and year out nowadays.
What Chris Johnson is doing is rare. It is special to be able to watch a guy rush for over 2,000 yards in a season. Watching a guy post a 24-3 TD/INT ratio just isn't as special.Comment
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Brees threw for more than 5,000 yards last season. Only the second player in NFL history to do that, and it was just as impressive to watch as a 2,000-yard rusher.
But the Saints' defense was poo, and they didn't make the playoffs, so Brees didn't get the MVP.
If Johnson's production stays at this level, and Tennessee makes the playoffs, I'm all for him getting the MVP award. If they don't make the playoffs? Tough. One of the three QBs will get it, and it will be well-deserved.
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Darren McFadden
Jonathan Stewart
Felix Jones
Rashard Mendenhall
All got drafted ahead of Chris Johnson. And on draft day i was upset because i thought they reached for a guy with just a good 40 time and would probably just return kicks because they needed an offensive weapon.
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CJ has 3 80 plus yard td's this year... no other back has that many in their career, let alone one year. Teams are putting everyone up to stop him and he still gets his yards. Peyton is always going to be in teh running for MVP, he is the Colts. Favre is having a great year but it is due in part to the single coverage he sees (and you cant tell me 20 years nfl qb experience doesnt make that like shooting fish in a barrel for him) thanks to AP and the burners he has at wide out. Out of those two, AP and Favre, I think AP should get the nod for MVP over Favre becasue Favre does what he does becasue of AP.
CJ is beasting and if he is not doing his work, does VY lead this team to 5 in a row? I doubt it. The only hit on CJ is where was he while they were losing? He is in the mix for mvp, he has to be due to his insane numbers, but never forget what the mvp means. It is not the best player in the league, it is the most valuable player, meaning that without that person what would that team be? Without Peyton the Colts would be 8-8 at best.
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Rodgers is currently at 22 TD and 5 Int
Rivers 19 TD 6 Int
Brady 20 TD and 8 Int
Brees 27 TD and 9 Int
Favre's stats aren't "unheard" of. Just shocking with his interception prone-ness in the past.Last edited by Tengo Juego; 12-03-2009, 07:51 AM.Comment
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an interesting fact I"m sure most voters would look at is Johnson 0-6 before young and with young 5-6
as starters young 5-0 this season Johnson 5-6
yes Johnson is having an extraordinary season but I'm sure having Vince Young go in there and have that sort of surge would take more of the eye of Johnson and put it on Young+Johnson
btw not saying Johnson doesn't deserve it or its b/c of young they have such a good 5 weeks the voters will probably look at a lot of things and that might be one of them ;)Last edited by stevsta; 12-03-2009, 09:00 AM.
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Win-Loss records shouldn't be valued the same when it comes to QB's and HB's.
Johnson's stats in the first 6 weeks:
15-57
16-197-2TD
22-97
16-83
9-34
17-128
All those games were losses. The Titans were always playing catch up, which means Johnson's carries were limited. Not to mention a running back has very little power in the last 2 minutes of the game when compared to a QB.
The guy ran for 197 yards and 2 TDs and his team still lost.Comment
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amazing the yards gained after vince young became qb makes it almost seem as if he played an important role just as much as johnson
too lazy to put the stats so go here to look
you basically answered your own question as to why most rbs never get the mvpLast edited by stevsta; 12-03-2009, 11:20 AM. RIP Comment
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Jerry Rice should have won MVP in 1987 instead of Elway.
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