Trading Calvin Johnson

[BigHouseUSA]

My roommate got on Valenti and Foster yesterday about it and out argued them, which is almost impossible for this kid.

I just don't understand the point in trading away a young star player when you're trying to rebuild.

[Spidey]

I can somewhat see where you're coming from but at the very least you don't do it this year.

His contract isn't up until 2011. I think the earliest this should even be considered is next year, if at all. Why not take at least another year and see what happens.

If you trade away Megatron right now, Id almost bet my life on Stafford being another Lions QB failure. You may end up getting him protection but who the fuck is he going to throw to.

[Sven Draconian]

I can't stand Valenti, his schtick is tired. He hates everybody and everything and thinks everything is doomed to failure.

His Joe Dumars hatred is ridiculous. Dumars doesn't know what he's doing....except for those Eastern conference finals appearances.

I got banned from their message board for calling him out about Dave Dombrowski. He said that DD was as dumb as Matt Millen, I absolutely blasted him. That was during spring training of 2006. I created a new account and bumped the thread that fall.

[Buzzman]

to be fair Dave D is pathetic.

[Sven Draconian]

to be fair Dave D is pathetic.

Really?

REALLY?

You're really going to call a guy that put together two world series teams pathetic.

Do you even remember how sad the Tigers were before he arrived?

[Nukleopatra]

Exactly how many WRs in the NFL are ''top 5 at their position?''

Twenty?

[Nukleopatra]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

You would have to be retarded to trade Calvin Johnson. He's top 5 at his position, he's young (5 productive seasons left minimum). What are you going to get from the draft that is better than a young player proven to be top 5 at his position? Isn't that what you aim to draft in the first place?

Since the draft is a crapshoot anyway, you are just as likely to end up with a bust (a complete cap drain) and a solid starter. For more money then you would pay CJ.

I'm expecting him to be a Redskin shortly.

I was referring to this, Glen. Top 5 talent, I can live with. I'm just trying to figure out how so many WRs in the NFL can fit into the top 5. At this point, Megatron isn't even better than S. Rice.

[GangstaE]

Honestly if you can get a package of proven young players to build from with draft picks you should do it if not then dnt Stafford needs Megatron even if the Lions need a team.

[Sven Draconian]

I was referring to this, Glen. Top 5 talent, I can live with. I'm just trying to figure out how so many WRs in the NFL can fit into the top 5. At this point, Megatron isn't even better than S. Rice.

What do you base your criteria for top 5? I go off talent.

[Nukleopatra]

What do you base your criteria for top 5? I go off talent.

I go by production.

Ryan Leaf was one of the most talented quarterbacks I've ever seen.

Steve Breaston is talented - he's certainly top 5 material.

[Prodigal Son]

[Nukleopatra]

Route Running

Larry Fitzgerald produces, so an argument can be made.

I don't see how any person can make a case for Calvin Johnson being top 5 at his position, at this time. Excuses why he isn't? Sure. ''He plays for Detroit.'' Boo-fucking-hoo. He's talented, so he's top 5? DHB is talented, too. Let's toss his ass on the top 5 while we're at it. Is it me or is there a new WR every week, that's on the top 5? Michael Crabtree will be top 5 by week 16.

You can say ''well, put him in Dallas, and he'd produce.'' Maybe he would. Then again, Roy Williams hasn't, who by the way, is a fairly talented guy. Miles Austin is more productive than both Williams and Megatron.

[Nukleopatra]

Tired schtick. How do you not understand the concept of a team game? DHB is talented? Really? I can't believe I'm being baited in by you, but now I think you are just autistic with a fixation on making shitty arguments. I'd be shocked if you even have watched a Lions game with Johnson in it.

Btw, if you want to get more than he's worth, call Al Davis. Although, according to Nuk, DHB is worth every cent of the top money he's been paid.

I actually think DHB stinks, which is my point. Are you saying he doesn't have talent? Is talent enough to make you a top 5 NFL WR? It' a team game, yes, of course. Let's look at some of the players more productive than Calvin Johnson, who are also playing for bad football teams.

Santonio Holmes - Ranked 3rd in the NFL, and plays for a struggling football team.
Steve Smith - Ranked 7th in the NFL, plays for a struggling football team.
Roddy White - Ranked 15th, plays for a struggling football team.
Nate Burleson - Ranked 2oth, plays for a team who can't even break .500 in the NFC West.

And then we have Calvin Johnson - ranked 22nd in the NFL, who is barely more productive than Mike Walker of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Who the fuck is Mike Walker, anyway?

Calvin Johnson is not a top 5 NFL WR. He wouldn't even break my top 10. And this is not part of my ''schtick.''

[Nukleopatra]

And by the way, I live in Michigan, so I get the pleasure of seeing them play every week, and the pleasure of listening to the fans bitch and moan about how shitty the team is. Yes, they are shitty, but at the same time, Calvin Johnson hasn't proven jack shit. You take the Pittsburgh Steelers, who right now, would have a hard time even beating the Lions - yet, they have a WR who is good enough to still be productive... and I'm talking about top 3 productive. Now THAT'S a God damn football player.

So, excuse me, if it's takes a little more than some nickname, which a fucking 4 year old would think of, to impress me. When ''Megatron'' starts being productive, I'll start believing the hype. At this moment, though, he's just Roy Williams Part 2.

[Nukleopatra]

Pittsburgh beat the Lions this year and Roy Williams who has the mentality of a "fucking 4 year old" gave him the nickname. Maybe you should watch your Michigan tv with the Michigan sports news more often.

You living in Michigan explains a lot.

Two words, motherfucker.

Nate
Burleson

When Calvin Johnson starts being as productive as Nate Burleson, we'll bring up this top 5 discussion again.