2011 Super Bowl Winner: Chicago Bears

[FirstTimer]

Terrible argument.

Kurt actually engineers an offense. Big Ben makes plays at the moments his team needs him too to win games.

Jay Cutler does neither. Chicago traded 2 first round picks for a guy that succeeded in the same system as Brian Griese and Jake Plummer. Cutler doesn't even make his players around him better. He struggles along with them.

Cutler couldn't even win in college. And before you spout of "Vanderbuilt", you need to go back and look at how many players from there ended up getting drafted. It's a lot more than Cutler lovers want to believe. Yet he couldn't even beat teams like Mid Tenn St and Navy.

Jay Cutler = "system" QB. Without the system, you're seeing how garbage he is. The only thing that can save him now is possibly Mike Shanahan, which might happen. And if it does, say goodbye do the dominant defense Chicago is generally known for.

Since the middle of 2006 we haven't been dominant anyways.

I'm really not going to say much in this thread as I've said alot in about 15 others but IMO Cutler isn't as bad as this year indicates(a lot has gone wrong besides Cutlers picks on the offensive side of the ball) but isn't nearly the next Brett Favre as many Chicago fans hoped.

[godspeed]

Who was the guy who said Bears fans aren't delusional. Fuckin Bears, really?

The thing is, I don't think the guy who started the thread is even a bears fan.

If I remember correctly he is a Packer fan. Not 100% sure though.

[citizenerased]

Terrible argument.

Kurt actually engineers an offense. Big Ben makes plays at the moments his team needs him too to win games.

Jay Cutler does neither. Chicago traded 2 first round picks for a guy that succeeded in the same system as Brian Griese and Jake Plummer. Cutler doesn't even make his players around him better. He struggles along with them.

Cutler couldn't even win in college. And before you spout of "Vanderbuilt", you need to go back and look at how many players from there ended up getting drafted. It's a lot more than Cutler lovers want to believe. Yet he couldn't even beat teams like Mid Tenn St and Navy.

Jay Cutler = "system" QB. Without the system, you're seeing how garbage he is. The only thing that can save him now is possibly Mike Shanahan, which might happen. And if it does, say goodbye do the dominant defense Chicago is generally known for.

Yeah, god forbid the Bears lose that 21st ranked scoring defence.

[Diivox]

I was ridiculously drunk when i posted this, i vaguely remember doing so, so i cant play the 'blackout' card, but, i would like to apologize 3 weeks later since i just got laid off and will probably be posting like crazy in the next few weeks.

vodka happens.

[Diivox]

if i could get a thread deletion, id be happy, but, there seems to be actual discussion taking place so i didnt request it.

again. im sorry guys this was a bit nuts. i was just really drunk and talking to my chicago bears fan family. and i would have let it slip cuz, as evidenced by my post count, im more of a lurker than anything else, but, like i said, ill be posting alot and i wanted to apologize for the glorified spam/troll.

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No good quarterback leads the league in turning the ball over.

Yep...Manning and Farve are and never were any good.

He is young and good...Most QB's that lead the league in Int's is the best player on his team...Which Cutler is. If he was bad, he would have been pulled.

Through 4 years, he has less int's than Manning, Farve, and Marnio did when they had 4 full years.

[Senser81]

Yep...Manning and Farve are and never were any good.

He is young and good...Most QB's that lead the league in Int's is the best player on his team...Which Cutler is. If he was bad, he would have been pulled.

Through 4 years, he has less int's than Manning, Farve, and Marnio did when they had 4 full years.

Brilliant logic! Can we also say that any RB who fumbles the ball is the next Adrian Peterson? Any WR who can't catch will soon put up 1500 yards and 15 TDs because Terrell Owens used to do it?

Whats funny with Cutler is that the Bears scoring went significantly down in 2009. Its not like Cutler is winging his team up and down the field, and his INTs are just a byproduct of him completing 30-yard pass after 30-yard pass. Amazingly, with the exception of 1 or 2 games this year, Cutler was never a catalyst for the Bears offense. In almost every game he was along for the ride. And if the offense did manage to get into scoring position, THAT was when Cutler would turn the ball over.

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Brilliant logic! Can we also say that any RB who fumbles the ball is the next Adrian Peterson? Any WR who can't catch will soon put up 1500 yards and 15 TDs because Terrell Owens used to do it?

Whats funny with Cutler is that the Bears scoring went significantly down in 2009. Its not like Cutler is winging his team up and down the field, and his INTs are just a byproduct of him completing 30-yard pass after 30-yard pass. Amazingly, with the exception of 1 or 2 games this year, Cutler was never a catalyst for the Bears offense. In almost every game he was along for the ride. And if the offense did manage to get into scoring position, THAT was when Cutler would turn the ball over.

If he was top 5 in passes attempted, please tell me how he wasn't the catalyst of the offense?

They were near the bottom in rushing and Cutler was near the top in TD passes thrown...He wasn't the catalyst, he was the whole damn team.

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LOL He threw 8 of those near league leading TD passes in the final two weeks when his team was well out of contention for anything already and one game was against the Lions..

What the F--K does that matter...He threw what he threw.

It is very difficult to actually defend Cutler, but when you come back with garbage like that, it all of a sudden isn't so hard anymore.

I have heard a lot of BS, that was great...Going back in your hole.

[Senser81]

If he was top 5 in passes attempted, please tell me how he wasn't the catalyst of the offense?

They were near the bottom in rushing and Cutler was near the top in TD passes thrown...He wasn't the catalyst, he was the whole damn team.

He didn't really make anything happen on offense. He was like Jalen Rose on the Bulls a few years back when Rose would average 20ppg simply because SOMEONE had to score points. But it wasn't like Rose was the catalyst of the team.

Cutler attempted a lot of passes because he thankfully didn't get injured, the Bears never pulled him, and they couldn't run consistently. But its not like the Bears were a great passing team but a bad running team...they were a bad passing team and a bad running team.

I don't know...but it seemed to me in the Bears games I watched that Cutler was just another Bears player putting his time in and then collecting his paycheck. I didn't see anything from him (other than the last Viking game) which displayed leadership or competitiveness.

[FirstTimer]

LOL He threw 8 of those near league leading TD passes in the final two weeks when his team was well out of contention for anything already and one game was against the Lions..

Then again he threw those when his WR's stepped up..ok Mainly DA, and when his O finally decided to show up too... but also he played a very good agame against a Viking's team playing for HFA.

If he does nothing in those games or is terrible then people hold it against him and point it out and LULZ. But if he performs well it's written off. It can't be both ways.

Cutler was all the Bears had on offense this season. Good or bad. To argue otherwise just means you didn't watch the games.

[FirstTimer]

He didn't really make anything happen on offense. He was like Jalen Rose on the Bulls a few years back when Rose would average 20ppg simply because SOMEONE had to score points. But it wasn't like Rose was the catalyst of the team.

Cutler attempted a lot of passes because he thankfully didn't get injured, the Bears never pulled him, and they couldn't run consistently. But its not like the Bears were a great passing team but a bad running team...they were a bad passing team and a bad running team.

I don't know...but it seemed to me in the Bears games I watched that Cutler was just another Bears player putting his time in and then collecting his paycheck. I didn't see anything from him (other than the last Viking game) which displayed leadership or competitiveness.

Game winning drives against the Seahawks and Steelers. Even after playing a shitastic first half against GB in Week 1 played a great 2nd half and had his team up before the defense gave it up with under 2minutes to play. The first Detroit game he kept that offense moving when the D couldn't stop anyone and gave up his body for a TD in the 1st half. Yeah there were not a ton of bright spots but they were there...in spots. But I didn't see anything for me to question his leadership or competetivness. If those were issues he would have mailed it in as soon as the Bears were out of playoff contention.

Also a massive dsiclaimer to the season is he did have Ron Turner has his OC..so yeah...

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He didn't really make anything happen on offense. He was like Jalen Rose on the Bulls a few years back when Rose would average 20ppg simply because SOMEONE had to score points. But it wasn't like Rose was the catalyst of the team.

Cutler attempted a lot of passes because he thankfully didn't get injured, the Bears never pulled him, and they couldn't run consistently. But its not like the Bears were a great passing team but a bad running team...they were a bad passing team and a bad running team.

I don't know...but it seemed to me in the Bears games I watched that Cutler was just another Bears player putting his time in and then collecting his paycheck. I didn't see anything from him (other than the last Viking game) which displayed leadership or competitiveness.

Rose was a veteran who was what he was...I don't see the correlation there.

I see him more like Peyton Manning, people were questioning his ability after his first few years. Once they started surrounding him with talent, the expectations everyone originally had showed up.

Why is Jay Cutler not allowed to develop like other QB's? I have seen the good and bad with Cutler and IMO his good out ways his bad...Which I mostly attribute to his inexperience.

He looks more like Manning, Elway, and Farve at this point in his career then other scrubs that have played.

[FedEx227]

I'm not going to ever compare him to Manning, Elway or Favre. Those are rare, all-time greats. I think Cutler is solid though, once the Bears surround him with some decent talent he'll be a fine NFL QB.

There's no way I'm comparing him to Manning, Elway or Favre though. At least in Manning and Elway's case they came in with MUCH higher expectations. Both were unbelievable college players.

[Archer]

Rose was a veteran who was what he was...I don't see the correlation there.

I see him more like Peyton Manning, people were questioning his ability after his first few years. Once they started surrounding him with talent, the expectations everyone originally had showed up.

Why is Jay Cutler not allowed to develop like other QB's? I have seen the good and bad with Cutler and IMO his good out ways his bad...Which I mostly attribute to his inexperience.

He looks more like Manning, Elway, and Farve at this point in his career then other scrubs that have played.

Lol? who was questioning Manning after the 99 season? The only questions that remained after his first few years were his post-season play