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  • RyanLeaf16
    #DoSomething
    • Feb 2009
    • 3211

    More Cowher news...

    I talked a little while ago to a former player under Dungy (who is now retired) and got his POV on the "Cowher to the Bucs" situation. First, I want to preface what I am about to say with a warning. I do not have links b/c this was a conversation and second, I have a bit of a track record for posting reliable info. With that being said please refrain from hijacking the thread or flaming me. You DON'T have to believe me and if you don't - I don't care. I just figured I would share the news b/c I know there are some people who will appreciate it.

    Anyway, talked with this player about the situation and his take was that the decision to move on has already happened. His words were "Man, that train has already left the station." Now, this doesn't mean that Cowher coaches the Bucs in 2010. What it means is that the job is Cowher's if he wants it. If Cowher declines the job, the Glazers will refute the reports and provide a public vote of confidence to Raheem for 2010. He also said that Raheem winning against the Saints does nothing for his job security...even if he wins this week against Atlanta. What will drive his dismissal is the season-ticket sales and they are dropping like flies right now. So with the lack of season-ticket sales and if Cowher accepts the job - Raheem is gone. If Cowher declines the job...Raheem stays despite lagging ticket sales b/c the Glazers do not want to present an image of another rebuild.

    A couple of other things to note is that the Glazers are very private people and no news gets out unless they want it to. The Glazers typically do not address rumors. However, a quick statement released through the team stating that Raheem will be back in 2010 would do a lot to quell the questions that the local media is posing to Raheem. Fact is, a lot of this is being orchestrated by the Glazers to gauge the public interest in removing Raheem as well.

    This is the same blueprint the Glazers used when they fired Tony Dungy after the 2001 season. Per this player, any news of the coach being fired causes a huge distraction for everyone - regardless of what is said to the media. According to this player, all the talk of Parcells taking over before Dungy was actually fired was a distraction. According to him, they were told by people in football ops that Parcells was coming and that he was getting a staff together. The only reason Parcells didn't come was b/c of a gaffe on his part. Not due to a change of heart as reported by the media. Apparently, Parcells just started calling all of his former assistants directly. Many of these coaches were already coaching for other teams and those respective teams were not informed, nor was permission granted to speak to those assistants. Accusations of tampering were being thrown around and Parcells simply backed out rather than face the controversey that may have awaited his arrival in Tampa.

    So there you have it! Cowher has talked to the Glazers. There is interest and he will be the only person to replace Raheem. If he declines the job, the Glazers will release a statement which indicates that the courtship never actually took place.
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  • FirstTimer
    Freeman Error

    • Feb 2009
    • 18720

    #2
    Fuck.

    I want Cowher in Chicago. Bad.

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    • jaxjaggywires
      Eradicator!!
      • Feb 2009
      • 1693

      #3
      I would like Cowher in Jacksonville...but I know it'll never happen.
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      • KINGOFOOTBALL
        Junior Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 10343

        #4
        I want Cowher in Dallas wwee haawww.


        Does Carolina sticking to John Fox push this ?

        I always heard that was his next ideal spot.
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        • jaxjaggywires
          Eradicator!!
          • Feb 2009
          • 1693

          #5
          Originally posted by houtz
          Why do people drool over this fucking guy? It took him how many fucking years to win a Super Bowl with Pittsburgh? What a fucking joke
          He's a great evaluator of defensive talent...a Cowher coached team will always have a top defense. Pair him with a good offensive coordinator, and you're set.
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          • Champ
            Needs a hobby
            • Oct 2008
            • 14424

            #6
            Well my brother is good friends with Cowher and I have talked to her a few times. I have also talked to Bill at Carolina Hurricanes games. From what I understand Bill does not want to come back to a team that is in a rebuilding stage.


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            • NAHSTE
              Probably owns the site
              • Feb 2009
              • 22233

              #7
              Originally posted by silkamilkmonico
              Building great from the draft requires you to retain a lot of those players. I can see Cowher in TB drafting some great players, only to lose them down the road to free agency because the Glazers aren't going to spend. I know that's years down, but it's going to take a while to get to that point by building through the draft anyways.

              On a side not, I think teams are crazy to not wanna build through the draft in this day and age. It's worked for all the elite organizations.
              Sounds like you just described the Pittsburgh Steelers of the 1990s to a T.

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              • young2rice
                Rockstar
                • Mar 2009
                • 2820

                #8
                Hardy Nickerson is the only guy I can think of actually.


                ^^^ Fixed Link Finally!

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                • steeljake
                  6 rings...
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 8752

                  #9
                  who is the gm in tampa? dont forget that cohwer had colbert with him in pittsburgh as his gm.


                  23:33 OnlyOneBeerLeft: jake nobody listens to you aint you supposed to die from cancer or somethin soon?

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                  • RyanLeaf16
                    #DoSomething
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 3211

                    #10
                    Originally posted by young2rice
                    Hardy Nickerson is the only guy I can think of actually.
                    Funny enough, Hardy came down to Tampa after leaving Pittsburgh.
                    Maddon & Friedman: Pissing off the AL East since 2008

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                    • RyanLeaf16
                      #DoSomething
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 3211

                      #11
                      Originally posted by steeljake75
                      who is the gm in tampa? dont forget that cohwer had colbert with him in pittsburgh as his gm.
                      Mark Dominik is currently the GM. It's still a toss-up whether he will stay or not. However, the name that has been mentioned to me is Kevin Colbert as someone who may come down to join Cowher due to a rather healthy working relationship in Pittsburgh. However, I am under the impression that he currently acts as the Director of Pro Personnel in Pittsburgh.
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                      • Diivox
                        It's the other way.
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 1773

                        #12
                        I think the Glazers would be more than happy to spend on the Bucs if they got a return on their investment. throwing around another 30 million dollars wouldnt have made this season a whole lot better. Do you really think if Bill Cowher tells them he wants a guy or wants to keep a guy they are going to say no?

                        *edit* also, I don't buy this financial trouble b.s. they arent spending because they dont want to waste the money. they are still billionaires (and probably got that way, by, you know, not wasting money) and are more than capable of drumming up capital if/when necessary.
                        Last edited by Diivox; 12-31-2009, 03:31 AM.

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                        • BigBucs
                          Unpretentious
                          • May 2009
                          • 12758

                          #13
                          Man. It will be another destroy and rebuild year once again if we bring in Cowher. He will probably move to a 3-4 scheme which would be the end of pretty much every one on D. Only players that would be safe are Tenard, and Aquib and possibly Quincy since he could possibly be a terror at a 3-4 OLB. More players would probably stay but those are the ones that are probably guaranteed to stay.

                          That said I liked where the defense was headed under Raheems play calling but I knwo if Cowher comes there is no way he stay as a D coordinator.




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                          • RyanLeaf16
                            #DoSomething
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 3211

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Britrock
                            So let me get this straight:

                            The Glazers don't care about the Bucs any more and Man Utd has taken all of their money and interest, yet they're willing to pay $10m or whatever stupid money Cowher is going to ask for to be their coach?

                            Something doesn't add up here...
                            Well there is now talk that they may be able to re-finance their massive Man U debt. They have not been spending much on the Bucs in terms of player acquisition since 2004. However, they do continue to buy-up unsold seats at RJS this year meaning they have a sincere interest to maintain a national brand image of the Bucs as a successful organization.

                            As stated before, ticket-sales drive this train. Even if they pay $10MM to Cowher per season it would still save them the money they have spent buying up 15-20k unsold seats each week. Plus, the Rooney family was never known as big-spenders and Cowher found success with good drafts and minimal spending. If anything, that is one thing the Steelers always seemed able to do: replace a departing free agent with a younger player who was drafted into the system.

                            Frankly, I would be ecstatic if Cowher came to Tampa. Cowher provides a track record of winning and a solid plan. Raheem has changed his plan multiple times, fired coordinators, etc. He just doesn't seem to know what he wants to do or how he wants to do it.
                            Maddon & Friedman: Pissing off the AL East since 2008

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                            • BigBucs
                              Unpretentious
                              • May 2009
                              • 12758

                              #15
                              Its a learning experience for a 1st year Coach. Things seem to be on the up, late in the season, but on the up none the less. If Cowher comes it will be more of the same as far as winning goes. Its gonna get worse, again, before it gets better. It may even take longer if he brings his 3-4 scheme.




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