Lane Kiffin new USC Coach

[Maynard]

i havnt read this thread, but on radio seems like everyone is hating on lane for leaving the vols. My feeling is he did the same thing anyone would do...and thats what is best for him.

why is it when a person makes a move like this everyone gets pissed....but when schools, sports teams, or any company in this world does the same thing, everyone looks the other way. organizations fuck people every minute of the day. They lie cheat and steal to make their organization the most money

our country is about me me me and greed and look out for yourself and fuck eveyone else. The fact that Lane Kiffen fucked over the vols shouldnt even be a thought. He is a man who did what he felt was the best move for him and his family

more power to him

[Tailback U]

Kiffin's bringing in a damn good coaching staff. I bet Barkley can take a giant leap next year under Chow. The NCAA has backed off of USC since Carroll left too, right? I was really hoping this would lead to major USC slippage but from what I can see now it seems like Oregon is going to have to wait a little while for their coronation as the top team in the PAC 10 going forward.

Chow is not a done deal. Chow's agent has said that USC has not offered a contract. USC alum and boosters, though, have contacted Chow and have made it clear that they really want him to return to USC.

i havnt read this thread, but on radio seems like everyone is hating on lane for leaving the vols. My feeling is he did the same thing anyone would do...and thats what is best for him.

why is it when a person makes a move like this everyone gets pissed....but when schools, sports teams, or any company in this world does the same thing, everyone looks the other way. organizations fuck people every minute of the day. They lie cheat and steal to make their organization the most money

our country is about me me me and greed and look out for yourself and fuck eveyone else. The fact that Lane Kiffen fucked over the vols shouldnt even be a thought. He is a man who did what he felt was the best move for him and his family

more power to him

Agree completely, I made a post a couple pages back that basically said the same thing.

I think it's funny how people think their coaches are always of the highest morale and never do anything shady. Carroll, Meyer, Miles, Kiffin, etc. are all the same.

Again, Ed Orgeron and Kiffin pulled in the number 1 recruiting class in the nation in their first year at Tennessee. They had to fight the biggest names in college football in Saban, Meyer, Miles, etc. and the biggest programs in football for those recruits and they won.

Now they go to USC where there is no competition for recruits whatsoever. Not only that, but they now have connections in Tennessee and Texas (Dat Nguyen).

Don't be surprised if USC is pulling in number 1 recruiting classes by next season.

[FirstTimer]

How is that different from other big time programs?

Save it.

Big time programs do not have the rap sheet Meyer's guys have at UF. Most aren't even close.

Meyer's guys get in toruble for assault, theft, etc. On teh flip side Notre Dame's biggest controversey since Weis showed up was Clausen getting busted for buying booze at 19.

*EDIT* My mistake Darrell Hand propositioned a prostitute and Weis suspened him 3 games.

Find me a "big time program" with a rap sheet like this then we can talk.

The Relatively Benign

Somewhat shady things that make Urban look to be kind of a jerk, but really aren’t as big as all the bajillion arrests. (Just a note that I realize that some of these are small, that lots of coaches negative recruit, etc, so please don’t comment about how ‘all coaches do that’ and use that to refute the litany of other things that will accompany this section. Thanks.)

1) Meyer Lies to Recruits. Meyer lies to Trattou and Hunter about ND, and gets them to keep their switch to UF silent as long as possible. I hate linking to Bleacher Report, but it was the only article I found that covered both of these situations. The best part was when Meyer just promised Omar Hunter that his DL coach would still be there, no matter what. Then, the day after signing day, he’s gone to the NFL. Just great. Stand up guy there.

2) Meyer Breaks NCAA Rules. Even ESPN was calling Urban out on potential recruiting violations in the recent past. In this instance, Urban was illegally recruiting WR Carl Moore and his girlfriend as a package deal to UF.

“I used to talk to him every day back in November when he was recruiting Carl,” Smith told the Gainesville Sun. “He kept asking how Carl was doing, and [he] wanted me to come here and do gymnastics.”

The ‘calling everyday’ thing is also a no-no. Course, it was shrugged off and largely ignored by the NCAA.

3) Meyer Lies to Another Recruit. In the same article, a UM commit talked about how Meyer told him that his own future coaches were saying that he should go to Florida. Shockingly, this turned out to be false.

“He told me that he talked to Coach [Lloyd] Carr and Coach Soup [Erik Campbell] and that they told him that I would be a much better fit in the Florida offense than I would be in the one at Michigan. I thought, wow, my coaches are selling me out? I confronted them about it. I asked Coach Carr and Coach Soup about it and they said they never talked to that guy and that there was no way they ever said anything like that and that they think I should be a Wolverine. I believed them. Right then, I knew just how Florida rolled.”

Yep, that’s how Urban rolls.

4) Meyer Skirts NCAA Rules on Recruiting. Again. Same article. Urban uses Tebow to recruit during the Heisman ceremony.

Meyer was at the Heisman Trophy presentation in New York with Tebow and dialed up Moore right after his QB won the trophy.

According to the Bee story, Meyer handed the cell phone to Tebow. “Carl!” the Florida quarterback practically yelled to the Sierra College receiver planted on his mother’s couch near Placerville, “I just won the Heisman! Come on down here, and let’s win a national championship!”

Again, nothing big, but we’re just getting warmed up here.

5) Meyer Lies to Jevan Snead. The infamous Urban Liar original, where Meyer told Jevan Snead that he was recruiting Tim Tebow as a linebacker. HA. Hilarious. Detailed in Bruce Feldman’s “Meat Market”, it’s a pretty funny story actually. But he’s a liar.

6) Meyer Loses out on Recruit, Tries to Sabotage the Recruit’s Admission to LSU. NCAA secondary violations, negative recruiting, etc. “Eh, everyone does that” right? Well, do all coaches try to screw a kid over with admissions when he picks another school?

Johnson said Florida had no problem with his academic eligibility when he first scored his ACT. It wasn’t until after he decided to attend LSU that Urban Meyer had one of his assistant coaches contact the NCAA. ACT officials subsequently reviewed his test results at their request and “flagged” his October score.

“I’m not upset, Urban is” Johnson said. “Florida made an issue about the ACT score. They’re cowards. He had to go behind my back when things didn’t go his way. But that’s OK. What goes around comes around.”

The Serious, But Not Completely Insane

So all of the following comes from a bunch of sources, but I’m just going to link to this one here because it’s a nice concise run-down. I’ll group them a bit differently, but it’s a good run-down of all 24 (AGAIN, 24!) arrests since Meyer took over at UF. (Note: We did a similar run-down in 2007, comparing UF to the Cincy Bengals and all their off-field troubles at the time. That is here.)

The following are all arrests (okay, technically they weren’t all put in cuffs but they were all served papers and charged with some form of crime so we’re going with this as the definition of arrest okay?), but these are not the really crazy ones. Urban’s handling of these is questionable in some cases, and the arrests themselves say something about his leadership, the culture he creates within a program and recruiting scruples (or lack thereof). These aren’t the big dogs though – it’s not all that shocking in CFB today (again, sad) that these occur. Maybe more just the absolute VOLUME of them. It’s pretty ridiculous. Note that this is largely a summary of the linked article above with a few notes and caveats from the HLS perspective. Also note that I’m numbering by people, not events, so you’ll see mutliple arrests within a number. (In other words, don’t count the numbers and wonder why it doesnt add up to 24…)

7) Tony Joiner is arrested for felony theft for deciding to go get his girlfriend’s car out of a tow lot without anyone’s permission at 4 am. Joiner was a captain when it happened, but Meyer stripped him of that (oooooooh, take that! all you’re gonna do is steal back your GF’s car? that’s not the kind of leadership we need here!). He didn’t miss any playing time.

8 ) Torrey Davis is arrested for a misdemeanor driving with a suspended license. Repeatedly. Was considered to be ‘in the dog house’ and ended up in jail.

9) Riley Cooper got cited for a misdemeanor resisting arrest and failure to comply with cops’ requests. No one knows if Cooper got punished at all. You know my guess.

10) Carl Johnson got on a bus with his ex-girlfriend, who had a restraining order out against the dude. Misdemeanor violation there, as he had been accused of 3 counts of date rape. He never missed time, as the case was dropped.

11) Dawayne Grace faced charges of misdemeanor battery and theft. The first time. The second time he got busted for midemeanor violation of a city ordinance and disorderly conduct, and he did community service. SHOCKING HEADLINE OF THE YEAR: Urban actually suspended him. For the year. (Hmmmm, wonder why he gets the book thrown at him, while other guys don’t….could it be, maybe, playing time? I mean, Brandon Spikes got a half game right? Hmmmmm….)

12) Jon Demps drove with a suspended license as well. Then he got busted for possession of the Weed. Booted from the team after the second violation.

13) Louis Murphy liked the happy weed too, and got busted for having it on his person. He was suspended for 3 games.

14) Brandon James got busted while buying the happy weed, which is a felony. And of course he had some on him, so he got the misdemeanor possession too. Meyer suspended James for a, SHOCKING, single entire game. Against Western Kentucky.

15) John Curtis violated his probation by skipping out on community service. This is a misdemeanor as well. Curtis didn’t play much, but had been hurt anyway.

16) Dorian Munroe got busted for felony theft when he pulled a boot off his car. HA. That one is just funny. Nothing came down from Meyer on this one.

The Serious

These are even more startling – that they happened at all, and that they often didn’t result in much of a punishment from Liar.

17) Avery Atkins was charged with misdemeanor domestic battery of his girlfriend/baby mama. Also charged with felony false imprisonment. Meyer suspended him.

18) Dustin Doe got involved in a big old fight and then got busted for misdemeanor resisting arrest. Charges were eventually dropped, so nothing from Urban.

19) Jermaine Cunningham got busted for misdemeanor battery for beating up a guy behind the counter at a Jimmy John’s. On a personal note, that’s just wrong! How do you go after a dude that serves you such a delicious sandwich? Anyway, Cunningham missed no time, and played in the Capital One bowl. Meyer imposed ‘physical punishment’. “Yeah, man, you can’t beat up sandwich dudes! We’re coming down HARD on you. What? No, of course you’ll play in the bowl game. But you don’t get the free watch, and you gotta run some LAPS! So take that!”

20) Jacques Rickerson got busted for having the weed on him to rack up a nice lil’ misdemeanor. Those charges were dropped, so of course just a 1 game suspension punishment from Meyer. But then the guy got caught for felony domestic violence by strangulation. DUDE STRANGLED HIS GIRL. And, just to top it off, felony obstruction of justice. Meyer booted him from the team, because at that point he just didn’t have a choice. “Sorry kid, I really wish I didn’t have to”.

21) Cam Newton got busted for all kinds of felonies. Burglary. Larceny. Obstruction of justice. He was suspended for the rest of the season. If he had only just gotten the 1 burglary charge, he probably could’ve stuck around, but…

22) Marquis Hannah got busted for felony burglary and misdemeanor battery for busting his way into a home and punching a dude in the face while trying to gank some stuff. No punishment to date.

23) Janoris Jenkins was busted for misdemeanor fighting and resisting arrest for his part in a fight outside a club, late night. This one isn’t as bad as some of the others in terms of what he did, but he’s a pretty big time player for them so I slotted it in here. No punishment so far.

The Ridiculous

These last 2 or 3 completely defy description. And even if I somehow haven’t yet convinced you that Meyer has integrity issues, one of these should just about do it for you. If none of this does, then there is no hope that you’ll ever get ND. Sorry, it’s just a fact.

24) Jamar Hornsby throws a dude onto the hood of a car during a fight and gets a misdemeanor property damage and criminal mischief charge. No punishment for this one from Urban. Later in his UF career, his ‘best friend’’s girlfriend dies and he helps him clear her things out of her aparment. Awwww, what a nice guy! Wait, wait….because THEN, Jamar goes around using her credit card for a few months, charging up 70 different things on a dead girl’s credit card. That’s a felony, along with misdemeanor larceny of a credit card. And, really, it’s just cold. Urban brings in guys with great character I tell you, GREAT character. Jamar got booted from the team.

25) Ronnie Wilson. Ronnie Wilson. Wow. Wilson got busted for aggravated assault, battery and use of/display of a concealed weapon during commission of a felony when he busted out his AK-FREAKING-47 in the middle of a fight. Yes, AK-47 folks. Wilson was suspended from the team for the 2007 season. Wow! Urban takes a stand, right? Right? Ah, nope. Because Wilson was ALLOWED BACK ON THE TEAM NEXT SEASON. Seriously. For real. Then, shockingly, he got busted for marijana possession and a count of battery and a count of assault. And after all that, he was finally permanently kicked off the team.

26) The last straw: Just last week, when a blatant attempt to blind a guy got punished by a HALF GAME SUSPENSION.

His recruiting practices? What's wrong with them? He talks kids into coming to Florida away from other places? Other schools do that too...until that LOI is signed, everything's open.

There's also a right and wrong way todo things...Meyer has the rep for being way less than truthful.

[jaxjaggywires]

Just as another parting shot for Kiffin...

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Link to describe just what the hell that video is all about...

[Prodigal Son]

Every D1 coach is a slime ball. It's part of the job. If they can't be a slime ball, they get fired.

[Senser81]

Every D1 coach is a slime ball. It's part of the job. If they can't be a slime ball, they get fired.

True. And when he was coaching, Charlie Weis was literally a slime ball.

[ralaw]

The business of recuriting is pretty sleezy, so I really don't have issues with most of what these coaches do to get recruits.

[Tailback U]

lmao at that Weis pic.

FT, you can't compare Notre Dame's coach to any big time programs'.

First of all, Notre Dame is not a big time program anymore. They don't attract big time recruits.

Secondly, they have standards that big time schools don't. They aren't recruiting the same type of athlete/kid at all.

Meyer's rap sheet looks awful, but I'm not going to say he is any worse than Carroll or Bobby Bowden. These coaches are recruiting athletes that come from bad areas that are used to getting into trouble. Just not the same.

[FirstTimer]

FT, you can't compare Notre Dame's coach to any big time programs'.

First of all, Notre Dame is not a big time program anymore. They don't attract big time recruits.

Bull. Clausen, Te' o just to name two(Who were both taken away from USC) Floyd(who ironically just got busted for underage drinking), Crist to name a few more. LULZ at ND not being a big time program anymore. Yeah it's not the ND of the 1940's but most any recruiting service has ND brining in quality recruits year in and year out over the last few seasons(Don't get me started on Willingham or Davie)

But that's a different discussion for a different day.

[Rayman]

True. And when he was coaching, Charlie Weis was literally a slime ball.

Ew

[Tailback U]

Bull. Clausen, Te' o just to name two(Who were both taken away from USC) Floyd(who ironically just got busted for underage drinking), Crist to name a few more. LULZ at ND not being a big time program anymore. Yeah it's not the ND of the 1940's but most any recruiting service has ND brining in quality recruits year in and year out over the last few seasons(Don't get me started on Willingham or Davie)

But that's a different discussion for a different day.

ND pulls in a few big recruits every year, but you are delusional if you think their classes compare to the real big time programs in college football.

Again, the big time recruits they do get are generally from mid/upper class areas and have met the academic standards that ND enforces.

ND is not a big time program anymore. They hover around .500 every year now.

[Fox1994]

I'm happy because he brought back Norm Chow and Ed Orgeron, and he's bringing his father and Junior Seau.

[FirstTimer]

ND pulls in a few big recruits every year, but you are delusional if you think their classes compare to the real big time programs in college football.

Again, the big time recruits they do get are generally from mid/upper class areas and have met the academic standards that ND enforces.

ND is not a big time program anymore. They hover around .500 every year now.

I would blame Notre Dame's troubles in the decade on an inability to consistantly recruit as well as having gusy that were not cut out for being college head coaches. With Kelly hopefully he brings the whole package together. It's tough to consistantly recruit at the top of the nation if you aren't seen as a consistant winner. Weis got the talent in but just wasn't a very good coach. Just because they go through rough times doesn't mean they still aren't a big time program. A lot of big times programs have gone through time periods. Notre Dame did in the late 50's, the early 80's and now. Bama has tough times, USC did before Carrol showed up. A lot of times the difference can be as simple as the guy that is the head coach.

[Senser81]

A lot of big times programs have gone through time periods. Notre Dame did in the late 50's, the early 80's and now. Bama has tough times, USC did before Carrol showed up. A lot of times the difference can be as simple as the guy that is the head coach.

I agree with your premise that most times its the head coach that determines the success of a program, not the program's "name recognition". The problem I have with your characterization of Notre Dame as having 'down eras' in the late 50s, early 80's, and now is that "now" actually encompasses a period of about 1995-2010. Thats a long time, especially in dog years.

[FirstTimer]

I agree with your premise that most times its the head coach that determines the success of a program, not the program's "name recognition". The problem I have with your characterization of Notre Dame as having 'down eras' in the late 50s, early 80's, and now is that "now" actually encompasses a period of about 1995-2010. Thats a long time, especially in dog years.

Agreed. But look at the line of coaches they have had. The last coach they hired that had any real success at the college level was Holtz. ND typically fairs very well when they hire proven college coaches.(Holtz, Ara, Leahy) They got away from that with their hires before Kelly. IMO to be a success at most any big time program nowadays, whether it be ND, USC, Florida, Bama, etc you need to hire a proven winner a HC.