2004 USC > 2001 Miami according to Pat Forde.

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  • NAHSTE
    Probably owns the site
    • Feb 2009
    • 22233

    #46
    Again I ask why nobody has love for 03 LSU? Dominant defense with 3 NFL starters (4 if you count the late Marquise Hill), 2 NFL WRs and a starting NFL RB, plus a starting NFL LT (Andrew Whitworth)....and if that's not enough, the greatest punter of our time, Mr Donnie Jones.
    Last edited by NAHSTE; 01-24-2010, 07:52 PM.

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    • Hasselbeck
      Jus' bout dat action boss
      • Feb 2009
      • 6175

      #47
      Originally posted by Larry
      If you reassembled that same team after they received NFL experience, they'd compete in the NFL. The only weak point would be at QB, with Ken Dorsey, otherwise, they'd be a complete NFL team.

      They had 51 players who at the very least had a cup of coffee in the NFL.
      That's a pretty big ass weak point.
      Originally posted by ram29jackson
      I already said months ago that Seattle wasn't winning any SB

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      • BUCK3YE5
        CP 2K12
        • Aug 2009
        • 1410

        #48
        01 Miami no question. what a joke

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        • NAHSTE
          Probably owns the site
          • Feb 2009
          • 22233

          #49
          Originally posted by Hasselbeck
          That's a pretty big ass weak point.
          Yeah I thought so too. 51 players, a majority of them fringe (or "cup of coffee") type players, all of them who would be rookies, would win games against teams made up of 53 players, 90% of them veterans and 75% non-fringe players?

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          • BUCK3YE5
            CP 2K12
            • Aug 2009
            • 1410

            #50
            and lol @ saying Miami was the "true" 02 champs like sportsbuck said there were THREE penalties in that play. Holding, Facemask, AND Passing Interference.

            I was at the game, and was the first person in my entire section to see the flag thrown. All the OSU fans were looking for it, the Miami fans were celebrating, but I saw it first (in my section that is idk about other parts of the stadium lmao)

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            • NAHSTE
              Probably owns the site
              • Feb 2009
              • 22233

              #51
              Originally posted by BUCK3YE5
              and lol @ saying Miami was the "true" 02 champs like sportsbuck said there were THREE penalties in that play. Holding, Facemask, AND Passing Interference.

              I was at the game, and was the first person in my entire section to see the flag thrown. All the OSU fans were looking for it, the Miami fans were celebrating, but I saw it first (in my section that is idk about other parts of the stadium lmao)

              CONGRATUFUCKINLATIONS

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              • BUCK3YE5
                CP 2K12
                • Aug 2009
                • 1410

                #52
                and i actually really like 02 OSU wasnt high on the list, i mean sure we found ways to win, but i can rattle off 5 OSU teams off the top of my head (from '95-present) that were better.

                EDIT: thanks nahste
                Last edited by BUCK3YE5; 01-24-2010, 11:04 PM.

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                • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                  Highwayman
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 15429

                  #53
                  Originally posted by NAHSTE13
                  Yeah I thought so too. 51 players, a majority of them fringe (or "cup of coffee") type players, all of them who would be rookies, would win games against teams made up of 53 players, 90% of them veterans and 75% non-fringe players?
                  A majority of them are actually of some quality in the NFL.

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                  • Senser81
                    VSN Poster of the Year
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 12804

                    #54
                    Originally posted by NAHSTE13
                    Again I ask why nobody has love for 03 LSU? Dominant defense with 3 NFL starters (4 if you count the late Marquise Hill), 2 NFL WRs and a starting NFL RB, plus a starting NFL LT (Andrew Whitworth)....and if that's not enough, the greatest punter of our time, Mr Donnie Jones.
                    They didn't really have a signature win. They were a solid team, but I don't think they were great. They had a tough defense, but no one really stood out. Addai was their best player on offense, but he only played part of the time. They had a fairly easy schedule, then defeated a vastly overrated Oklahoma team in their home bowl game.

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                    • Senser81
                      VSN Poster of the Year
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 12804

                      #55
                      I can rationalize Forde putting USC above Miami in order to make his article more 'catchy'. What I don't understand his how USC '05 can be the 4th best team (not a balanced team at all...very mediocre defense), while Florida's 08 team barely cracks the top 10. That was Florida's 2nd title in 3 years...USC '05 didn't even win the title.

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                      • NAHSTE
                        Probably owns the site
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 22233

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Senser81
                        They didn't really have a signature win. They were a solid team, but I don't think they were great. They had a tough defense, but no one really stood out. Addai was their best player on offense, but he only played part of the time. They had a fairly easy schedule, then defeated a vastly overrated Oklahoma team in their home bowl game.
                        Fair points, losing 19-7 at home to Florida does kind of make you wonder if the team was historically great. That loss falls squarely on Jimbo Fisher and his predictable offense, which was good for one lemon every season.

                        The heart of the defense was DT Chad Lavalais, but I think the signature players were the two DEs. Marquise Hill and Marcus Spears were both just huge for the position and dominated week in and week out. We'll never see a better DL come through LSU again.


                        The signature win would probably be one of the two Georgia defeats, the 17-13 one with Skyler Green's GW TD in last 2 minutes, or the 31-13 ass kicking in the rematch, 200 yards for Justin Vincent. Addai was hurt all the time that year, so I'd say the best player on offense was probably Whitworth or Michael Clayton. Justin Vincent was amazing for the last 5-6 games, only to develop an um, fondness, for alcohol over the offseason, balloon to 230 lbs and never be good again.

                        It wasn't LSU's fault we had to play Oklahoma, everybody wanted to see the USC-LSU match up and it still sucks we couldn't see it. Both of those defenses were unreal in terms of scoring D and rushing D.


                        But I'd still that 03 Tigers them ahead of some teams on this list simply for how dominant they were in conf. play. They beat Alabama and Auburn by scores of 31-7 and 31-0 respectively, and beat their toughest SEC competition twice. That Georgia team was really good, ranked in the top 5 for the better part of the season even after losing to LSU in October.

                        Not saying we should be on top of anyone's list, just found it curious that they weren't mentioned even once.
                        Last edited by NAHSTE; 01-25-2010, 11:23 AM.

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                        • Sportsbuck
                          Buckeye For Life
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 3045

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Senser81
                          I can rationalize Forde putting USC above Miami in order to make his article more 'catchy'. What I don't understand his how USC '05 can be the 4th best team (not a balanced team at all...very mediocre defense), while Florida's 08 team barely cracks the top 10. That was Florida's 2nd title in 3 years...USC '05 didn't even win the title.
                          Plus those '08 Gators had an incredible run after the Ole Miss loss... beat Arkansas 38-7, beat #3 LSU 51-21, beat Kentucky 63-5, beat #8 Georgia 49-10, Vandy 42-14, #23 South Carolina 56-6, #24 Florida State 45-14 and then beating #1 Alabama and #1 Oklahoma both by double digits.

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                          • Tailback U
                            No substitute 4 strength.
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 10282

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Senser81
                            I can rationalize Forde putting USC above Miami in order to make his article more 'catchy'. What I don't understand his how USC '05 can be the 4th best team (not a balanced team at all...very mediocre defense), while Florida's 08 team barely cracks the top 10. That was Florida's 2nd title in 3 years...USC '05 didn't even win the title.
                            I'd reason that it is because USC '05 only lost to Vince Young, and Florida lost to Ole Miss.

                            They blew everyone else out of the water.

                            If not for Vince Young, who is arguably the greatest college football player of all time, USC would have won 3 straight national championships with 2 heisman trophy winners in one backfield and one of the best offenses that has ever played.

                            The defense was obviously weak, but again, the only team that beat USC that year was Texas and it was solely because of Vince Young.

                            Florida lost to Ole Miss. That alone is enough reason to drop them below USC '05.
                            Last edited by Tailback U; 01-25-2010, 03:37 PM.

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                            • Sportsbuck
                              Buckeye For Life
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 3045

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Tailback U
                              I'd reason that it is because USC '05 only lost to Vince Young, and Florida lost to Ole Miss.

                              They blew everyone else out of the water.

                              If not for Vince Young, who is arguably the greatest college football player of all time, USC would have won 3 straight national championships with 2 heisman trophy winners in one backfield and one of the best offenses that has ever played.

                              The defense was obviously weak, but again, the only team that beat USC that year was Texas and it was solely because of Vince Young.

                              Florida lost to Ole Miss. That alone is enough reason to drop them below USC '05.
                              I see the point your trying to make Tailback but that Ole Miss squad was pretty good last year. They weren't 05 Texas obviously, but they finished ranked #14 in the nation and beat then #4 Florida (obviously and on the road), #18 LSU (on the road), and #8 Texas Tech.

                              The 08 Gators were:
                              6-0 v Top 25 teams (outscored them 43-14 on avg)
                              4-0 v Top 10 teams (outscored them 39-16 on avg)
                              3-0 v Top 5 teams (outscored them 35-18 on avg)
                              2-0 v #1 ranked teams (outscored them 25-17 on avg)

                              They outscored all opponents 611-181. (14 games = avg of 43-13 score)

                              The 05 Trojans were:
                              4-1 v Top 25 Teams (outscored them 45-32 on avg)
                              1-1 v Top 10 Teams (dead even at 36 each)
                              0-1 v Top 5 teams (outscored 41-38)

                              They outscored all opponents 638-297. (13 games = avg of 49-23 score)

                              It's pretty obvious that USC had the better offense, that is clear I mean they scorred 27 more points with 1 less game. But their defense holds them back... frankly I think it's pretty close between the two but I'd give a slight edge to 08 Florida.

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                              • BUCK3YE5
                                CP 2K12
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 1410

                                #60
                                I think 05 USC > 08 UF > 04 USC

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