Cutler keeping OC's out of Chicago?

[Nukleopatra]

Word around Chicago is Lovie wants Martz because it's another one of his boys. Angelo doesn't want Martz though because it goes back to giving Lovie too much power and Lovie handpicking "his guys". It's basically a power struggle of retards over there.

Honestly, if you're a Bears fan I don't know if you want Martz. Cutler will get killed in a Martz offense and the entire development of Greg Olsen would be a giant waste because Martz rarely uses the TE.

Lol @ any Chicago fan that doesn't want Martz.

Mike Martz guarantees you a top 10 offense, and the development of Jay Cutler. He'll actually learn how to pass more than one route - and the best thing about bringing in Martz is, Jay Cutler's ego will no longer be the biggest ego on the team. It's Jay Cutler haters, such as myself, that shouldn't want Martz in Chicago, because if Martz can't bring out the talent that Jay Cutler has, no one can - and seeing Cutler become successful, would really suck.

If you're a Bears fan, and you suffered through Turner all these years, and you find yourself not wanting Mike Martz, you're a complete fucking moron.

[FedEx227]

Except for the fact that Martz' vertical passing game requires quite a lot of time in the pocket. If you watched ANY Bears games last year you'd see Cutler barely had enough time to run short routes behind that offensive line.

Also, chalk up Greg Olsen as another wasted first round pick of the Bears if you get Martz. He barely even remembered Vernon Davis was on his damn team... he'd NEVER use Olsen.

[Archer]

Except for the fact that Martz' vertical passing game requires quite a lot of time in the pocket. If you watched ANY Bears games last year you'd see Cutler barely had enough time to run short routes behind that offensive line.

Also, chalk up Greg Olsen as another wasted first round pick of the Bears if you get Martz. He barely even remembered Vernon Davis was on his damn team... he'd NEVER use Olsen.

The Lions hardly had the most dominant pass blocking O-line when Martz was there and Kitna still managed to pass for 4,000 yards. And isin't a successful team/offense more important than wasting a tight end? Maybe I have this whole GM theory all wrong

Maybe the development of a TE is more important than actually winning games

[FedEx227]

The point though is the development of a TE and a QB is very important to the Bears this year. The Bears aren't winning many games next year regardless of who their OC or DC is. The team blows. They have no WR, terrible o-line and a bad defense.

It's about future development. If you feel Martz can help the future development of the two biggest offensive weapons for the Bears (Olsen and Cutler) then okay.

I don't believe he can. I think he helps Cutler put up gaudy numbers all the while getting sacked at a very high rate (see Kitna's % in Detroit), probably improves the WR, does little to nothing with Olsen. Then either gets fired when a new coach comes in after next year.

[Nukleopatra]

Except for the fact that Martz' vertical passing game requires quite a lot of time in the pocket. If you watched ANY Bears games last year you'd see Cutler barely had enough time to run short routes behind that offensive line.

Also, chalk up Greg Olsen as another wasted first round pick of the Bears if you get Martz. He barely even remembered Vernon Davis was on his damn team... he'd NEVER use Olsen.

Depends on the quarterback.

Mike Martz tends to rely on a quarterbacks decision making, and quick release. He really hasn't had that type of a quarterback since Warner/Bulger. If he has a quarterback with the IQ higher than a garden snail, the quarterback shouldn't be standing in the pocket for long periods of time. Is Jay Cutler a Martz quarterback? No. But Cutler is smart enough to learn, he just needs a guy with the ego to match his, and Martz has that.

I disagree with the whole ''QB needs a ton of time in the pocket.'' You obviously missed those perfectly ran Rams offenses back in the day. Kurt Warner had most of his passes out, before the WR even finished the routes - but that's when it's ran to perfection.

[FedEx227]

Issac Bruce/Torry Holt vs. Devin Hester/Johnny Knox

No matter how well he develops Cutler no routes are going to be ran to perfection.

I honestly don't care. I'm fine with Martz as the OC. I really couldn't care less what the Bears decide to do. I'm just saying people are expecting Martz to come in and make this shitshow look like something special, when I don't think that's the case. He's not working with the greatest or even a good offensive roster and from what I've seen of Martz... how he runs an offense is not going to be ran very well with our current crop of guys.

Maybe I wrong, I dunno, that's just my opinion.

[Nukleopatra]

Issac Bruce/Torry Holt vs. Devin Hester/Johnny Knox

No matter how well he develops Cutler no routes are going to be ran to perfection.

I honestly don't care. I'm fine with Martz as the OC. I really couldn't care less what the Bears decide to do. I'm just saying people are expecting Martz to come in and make this shitshow look like something special, when I don't think that's the case. He's not working with the greatest or even a good offensive roster and from what I've seen of Martz... how he runs an offense is not going to be ran very well with our current crop of guys.

Maybe I wrong, I dunno, that's just my opinion.

You're right about the following.

Greg Olsen will be limited.
You will need a few more guys to run a Martz offense (God forbid you bring in a few more guys, right?).
Unless you have Kurt Warner, Jay Cutler will need more time in the pocket.

And your running game will take a backseat.

But the fact is, there's maybe 4 OCs better than Mike Martz, and if Chicago hasn't landed one of them, and they fail to land Martz, they've failed. And right now, Chicago is failing miserably, because Martz has already said numerous times, he is interested in the job, but so far? No phone call.

[FedEx227]

I don't know if he ever will get a call because Angelo is all thick-skinned this year and not bringing in another "Lovie guy".

Problem with "bringing in" some more guys is they are limited financially and have no draft picks.

[jHammack]

LOL no. Ron Turner was run out of town because he fucking blows. The whole NFL knows that.

this

[Nukleopatra]

I think Martz would be calling for Caleb Hanie when he found out that Cutler is terrible inside the pocket.

He'd do it, too.

Maybe that's part of the problem. Martz has been known to clash with people. He's already been critical of Jay Cutler, so Cutler can't be too pleased with that. And if Cutler is too stubborn or stupid to pick up the offense, Martz certainly wouldn't be afraid to call for a replacement, and Chicago really can't afford to have their ''star qb'' in a competition with Caleb Hanie.

[FedEx227]

Caleb Hanie is awful.

[Archer]

On a slightly related note

I loled when I heard Cutler is involved in the interviewing process for a new O/C . For any people who live in the area or support the Bears ... is this true? And if so what exactly is the point in letting your QB who has been noted for slacking and ignoring coaches help decide the new O/C? I can't see good things coming from that

[Warner2BruceTD]

A quick note about Martz & TE's...

Martz models his passing game after the old Don Coryell offense. The Rams always had blocking TE's like Ernie Conwell and Brandon Manumaleuna, so Martz would use Faulk or the 4th WR (usually Proehl or later guys like Dane Looker & Mike Furrey) to run the old Kellen Winslow routes.

He didn't have a TE in Detroit, and worked with an out of shape and unmotivated Vernon Davis in SF.

[FedEx227]

Huh?

Davis was heavily involved with working out in college. He set school strength records (in spring of 2005) for a tight end in the bench press (465 pounds), power-clean (355 pounds), index (797 pounds) and squat (685 pounds). At the combine, he ran the 40 yard dash in 4.38 seconds. Davis also broad-jumped 10'08", nearly a foot farther than the next-best tight end, Marcedes Lewis.

I'd love to be out of shape.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yeah, Davis was such a hard working guy that he was literally thrown off the team in the middle of a game that season.