Top 10 RB's going into 2010-2011 season

[Blick]

Dude how is Jamaal Charles not on more of these lists. First guy in NFL history to rush for over 1100 yards on less than 200 carries. Averaged 5.9 yards per carry behind a line that allowed Larry Johnson to average 2.9 ypc.

Chris Johnson had 7 runs over 40 yards
Charles had 5 runs over 40 yards on 168 fewer carries

He's not a poor man's Chris Johnson. He can be just as good if he stays healthy. They're the same height and Charles is only 1 pound lighter. He has running away from the cops speed as well.

[Fox1994]

Dude how is Jamaal Charles not on more of these lists. First guy in NFL history to rush for over 1100 yards on less than 200 carries. Averaged 5.9 yards per carry behind a line that allowed Larry Johnson to average 2.9 ypc.

Chris Johnson had 7 runs over 40 yards
Charles had 5 runs over 40 yards on 168 fewer carries

He's not a poor man's Chris Johnson. He can be just as good if he stays healthy. They're the same height and Charles is only 1 pound lighter. He has running away from the cops speed as well.

Haha. Indeed. When he gets a line and a QB he's gonna be beast... Why'd they get rid of Thigpen? I think he's far more talented than Cassel, and if the NWE front office hadn't migrated to KC, I think Thigpen would've gotten a chance to prove me right.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Dude how is Jamaal Charles not on more of these lists. First guy in NFL history to rush for over 1100 yards on less than 200 carries. Averaged 5.9 yards per carry behind a line that allowed Larry Johnson to average 2.9 ypc.

Chris Johnson had 7 runs over 40 yards
Charles had 5 runs over 40 yards on 168 fewer carries

He's not a poor man's Chris Johnson. He can be just as good if he stays healthy. They're the same height and Charles is only 1 pound lighter. He has running away from the cops speed as well.

well...I hate to even do this because I really like the guy. I picked Charles up on three out of four of my fantasy teams this season, and he helped me to two championship games. If I were you I wouldn't complain if he's not on a top 10 list, because to me he falls anywhere from 8 to 12 on my list. Here's why.

He's that good because
All the reasons you said, and maybe some more. Plus he's a return guy, which I like.

reasons he falls out of top 10 most likely.
He had great success on maybe the easiest schedule to run the ball against.
Opponents from when he took the starting job.
Oak(rank 29) - 18 car, 103 yds, 1td
Pit(rank 3) - 17 car, 58 yds
SD (rank 20) - 14 car, 93 yds, 1td
Den(rank 26) - 18 car, 56 yds, 1td
Buf(rank 30) - 20 car, 142 yds, 1td
Cle(rank 28) - 25 car, 154 yds, 1td
Cin(rank 7) - 24 car 102 yds
Den(rank 26) - 25 car, 259 yds , 2tds

He's faced off against some very weak rush defenses this season, and when he's faced above average competition he's not done well. That's not to say I don't think he can do well against an above average run D, look at Cinci. I don't have any reason to believe that Charles can put up those number throughout the course of a 16 game season, not yet anyways. I hope to be surprised by him next year though. Right now, I see his great success was build on the backs of sub-standard run D's, so in my mind that takes away something from his thunder.

[Fox1994]

Besides that, though, he needs a good line. He's definitely top ten in talent, but he's gonna need top ten production. I think with a better line, he'll definitely get their though.

1120 yds, 7 TD; 297 receiving yds, TD

I think next year, just based on the conference he plays in AND the fact that he'll be starting more games, plus him getting closer to his peak, his numbers are gonna be higher. Now, he averaged 5.9 this year. If he averages 5.9 this year and gets his carries + LJ's carries, he'll have:

1894 yds... I think somewhere around 1600 is more likely. If he averages 5.6, he'll have 1766... But they'd probably use him more in the passing game, which could bring him down to 300 carries (18.75 a game) + 73 catches (his 40 catches, LJ's 12 catches, and the spare 21 touches) * 8.5 y/catch (his career average - 10.1 rookie year, 7.4 this year) =612 yds... I'd think somewhere around there would be accurate...

Mostly imperially, with a little estimation, his rushing numbers would be 300 carries for 1710 yds (5.7 y/a) with 14 touchdowns (he averaged a touchdown ever 27.14th carry last year, times 300 = 11; I think that's a little low).

Receiving, I bump the 8.5 to 9 y/catch * 73 catches = 657 yards; two touchdowns on 67 catches so far in his career... I'd say six or seven is more accurate...

He returned one kick for a touchdown last year - 925 yards, 24.4 average, 36 returns, one TD

But this is all guestimation with a little math worked-in...

It might seem a little off-base, but this is just an estimation prediction...

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

1. Chris Johnson
2. Adrian Peterson
3. Jamaal Charles
4. Ray Rice
5. Michael Turner
6. DeAngelo Williams
7. Frank Gore
8. Steven Jackson
9. Shonn Greene
10. Maurice Jones Drew

Thats just how I think as far as overall production

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Besides that, though, he needs a good line. He's definitely top ten in talent, but he's gonna need top ten production. I think with a better line, he'll definitely get their though.

1120 yds, 7 TD; 297 receiving yds, TD

I think next year, just based on the conference he plays in AND the fact that he'll be starting more games, plus him getting closer to his peak, his numbers are gonna be higher. Now, he averaged 5.9 this year. If he averages 5.9 this year and gets his carries + LJ's carries, he'll have:

1894 yds... I think somewhere around 1600 is more likely. If he averages 5.6, he'll have 1766... But they'd probably use him more in the passing game, which could bring him down to 300 carries (18.75 a game) + 73 catches (his 40 catches, LJ's 12 catches, and the spare 21 touches) * 8.5 y/catch (his career average - 10.1 rookie year, 7.4 this year) =612 yds... I'd think somewhere around there would be accurate...

Mostly imperially, with a little estimation, his rushing numbers would be 300 carries for 1710 yds (5.7 y/a) with 14 touchdowns (he averaged a touchdown ever 27.14th carry last year, times 300 = 11; I think that's a little low).

Receiving, I bump the 8.5 to 9 y/catch * 73 catches = 657 yards; two touchdowns on 67 catches so far in his career... I'd say six or seven is more accurate...

He returned one kick for a touchdown last year - 925 yards, 24.4 average, 36 returns, one TD

But this is all guestimation with a little math worked-in...

It might seem a little off-base, but this is just an estimation prediction...

I can't wait to see Charles rush for 5.9 ypc over an entire season and against better than blow average defenses. Defenses ranked 21 on average facing Charles when he took over. Against tougher opponents on average next season it's safe to say his ypc will drop. With 300 carries at a 4.6 average even he'll have 1,380 yds, and I have no idea what will happen to his touchdowns. Johnson faced 3 teams in the top 10, and 9 teams in the top half. btw.

[Fox1994]

I only used his numbers with KC, not Cinci.

[NAHSTE]

1. Chris Johnson
2. Adrian Peterson
3. Jamaal Charles
4. Ray Rice
5. Michael Turner
6. DeAngelo Williams
7. Frank Gore
8. Steven Jackson
9. Shonn Greene
10. Maurice Jones Drew

Thats just how I think as far as overall production

Stop reaching

And WTF does MJD need to do for you to not rank him below Shonn Greene? This might be the worst top 10 in this whole thread. No offense/

[Woy]

Stop reaching

And WTF does MJD need to do for you to not rank him below Shonn Greene? This might be the worst top 10 in this whole thread. No offense/

No, this is the worst top 10 list.

1. Dorsey Levens
2. Jamal Lewis
3. Laurence Maroney
4. Troy Hambrick
5. Ricky Williams in a dress
6. Stephen Davis
7. Knowshon Moreno
8. Napoleon Kaufman
9. Dominic Rhodes
10. Michael Vick

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

Stop reaching

And WTF does MJD need to do for you to not rank him below Shonn Greene? This might be the worst top 10 in this whole thread. No offense/

MJD gets worked hard, and I think that Shonn Greene takes over Jones spot as the primary rusher, if he does then he should put up big numbers like jones has the past few years. And Charles up there isn't so much a reach IMO, 2nd half of the year he was the best back in the league, and we all know that in KC you get plenty of carries.

[Blick]

well...I hate to even do this because I really like the guy. I picked Charles up on three out of four of my fantasy teams this season, and he helped me to two championship games. If I were you I wouldn't complain if he's not on a top 10 list, because to me he falls anywhere from 8 to 12 on my list. Here's why.

He's that good because
All the reasons you said, and maybe some more. Plus he's a return guy, which I like.

reasons he falls out of top 10 most likely.
He had great success on maybe the easiest schedule to run the ball against.
Opponents from when he took the starting job.
Oak(rank 29) - 18 car, 103 yds, 1td
Pit(rank 3) - 17 car, 58 yds
SD (rank 20) - 14 car, 93 yds, 1td
Den(rank 26) - 18 car, 56 yds, 1td
Buf(rank 30) - 20 car, 142 yds, 1td
Cle(rank 28) - 25 car, 154 yds, 1td
Cin(rank 7) - 24 car 102 yds
Den(rank 26) - 25 car, 259 yds , 2tds

He's faced off against some very weak rush defenses this season, and when he's faced above average competition he's not done well. That's not to say I don't think he can do well against an above average run D, look at Cinci. I don't have any reason to believe that Charles can put up those number throughout the course of a 16 game season, not yet anyways. I hope to be surprised by him next year though. Right now, I see his great success was build on the backs of sub-standard run D's, so in my mind that takes away something from his thunder.

Exactly...over 100 on Cinci...only got 17 carries against the Steelers, but he caught a TD pass and took a kickoff to the house in that game. And, 259 yards in a game is incredible...I don't care how bad the run defense is.

I don't buy the bad run D argument anyway because the Chiefs' offense blows. It was shitty O-line vs. shitty run D's. Charles made the Chiefs look good. Larry Johnson averaged 2.9 ypc behind KC's line. LJ averaged 4.4 ypc in Cinci. It was amazing what Charles was able to do with the talent around him on that offense.

Also, because the Chiefs were so bad on offense, Charles was the only guy opposing defenses had to worry about, and he still burned them. Do you think defenses were worried about Matt Cassel and his 69.9 QB rating throwing to a bunch of castoffs? No way.

Charles did something that nobody in the history of the league has ever done, and he's not a top 10 RB? That's retarded. Look for him to put up Chris Johnson numbers next year if he stays healthy.

[bcransom]

I like the list, having Ryan Grant on it killed it a lot for me though. This would be mine -
1. Chris Johnson
2. Steven Jackson
3. Maurice Jones-Drew
4. Adrian Peterson
5. Ray Rice
6. DeAngelo Williams
7. Michael Turner
8. Frank Gore
9. Ronnie Brown
10. Marion Barber