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  • Lanteri
    No longer a noob
    • Feb 2009
    • 2723

    #16
    Originally posted by DET Clutch
    Man you're ignorant. So because hes recovering from injury, he cant play anymore? Hes nearly a gurantee for 4.30 ERA, 185+ innings, and thats not good enough to be a 4th starter? Thats better than each and every 4th starter in baseball! You're blinded with your own hate for him. I cant waste anymore time with somebody who judges players on bad seasons and ignores the good ones.
    Dice-K, Vazquez, Blackburn, Danks, Hudson, Happ, Cueto, Sanchez, etc. beg to differ.

    I don't disagree with the fact that Bonderman has the potential to be a decent back of the rotation starter, when he's healthy, but the fact that he hasn't been in years makes him far from a "guarantee" to do anything. And even when he's healthy, he's not what your bold quote there says he is. He's merely an average to slightly above back of the rotation starter, nothing more.
    Last edited by Lanteri; 02-17-2010, 01:10 PM.

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    • Lanteri
      No longer a noob
      • Feb 2009
      • 2723

      #17
      Originally posted by DET Clutch
      Willis was a wreck since 2005, he was nothing since then. He didnt get hit with "injuries" until 2008.

      The only thin that stop Bonderman from being great was injuries. Just look at his 2006 season, his great playoff performance, and his all star start to '07. He came into his zone and had his best years ahead of him. The only reason he was stopped was the blood clot in his throwing arm. He wont ever have his velocity back.

      I'm not saying hes an ace, but you cant ignore the strides he made every season and how good he was before injuries. He was dominant in the 2006 postseason (3.10 ERA) and was a top 5 pitcher in the first half of 2007 season and the Tigers playoff chances that year crashed and burned when his arm did.

      Hes a more then capable middle of the rotation pitcher. You just arent realistic. You cant have 5 all stars in your rotation, yet alone 5 quality pitchers in their primes.
      He's only had one season where he's been even close to above average though is the thing, so it's not like you can guarantee anything out of him, especially coming off injury. 2006 when he posted a 4.08 ERA which was a 112 ERA+. The rest of his career he's been below league average.

      I wouldn't really have an issue with what you're saying if you worded it as he has the potential to be useful, but any claim of guaranteed success is foolish, and pretty much blatant homerism. Especially since we're now in 2010, and the last time he was an effective starter was the "first half" of 2007.
      Last edited by Lanteri; 02-17-2010, 02:18 PM.

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      • NAHSTE
        Probably owns the site
        • Feb 2009
        • 22233

        #18
        Same old story for the Braves, great starting pitching (if Jair's shoulder holds up), old and inconsistent bullpen, not enough power to be out slug teams, not enough good approach hitters to out grind teams....

        83-88 wins, no playoffs.

        2011 is our year though.

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        • Lanteri
          No longer a noob
          • Feb 2009
          • 2723

          #19
          Originally posted by NAHSTE13
          Same old story for the Braves, great starting pitching (if Jair's shoulder holds up), old and inconsistent bullpen, not enough power to be out slug teams, not enough good approach hitters to out grind teams....

          83-88 wins, no playoffs.

          2011 is our year though.
          I don't understand what the Braves did this offseason to their bullpen. Did they have a particular reason for getting rid of Gonzalez and Soriano to replace them with Wagner and Saito? Especially, when both those guys are downgrades, seeing as Gonzalez was solid, and Soriano, when he's healthy, is one of the best relievers in baseball.

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          • NAHSTE
            Probably owns the site
            • Feb 2009
            • 22233

            #20
            Originally posted by Lanteri
            I don't understand what the Braves did this offseason to their bullpen. Did they have a particular reason for getting rid of Gonzalez and Soriano to replace them with Wagner and Saito? Especially, when both those guys are downgrades, seeing as Gonzalez was solid, and Soriano, when he's healthy, is one of the best relievers in baseball.
            I have no idea either. I really don't. Soriano was expensive I guess, and he would groove fastballs a bit too much. Gonzalez was very solid and could have been the closer this year.

            Billy Wagner has a bout a 10% chance of playing the full year. Saito is solid, but not any better than Gonzalez and is 40 fucking years old. We set out to add bullpen "depth" and instead just got some more scrap heap options and got rid of our top two guys.

            I really have no idea why Frank Wren thinks this is an improved bullpen, it's insulting.
            Last edited by NAHSTE; 02-17-2010, 03:48 PM.

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            • Goober
              Needs a hobby
              • Feb 2009
              • 12271

              #21
              I think the Brewers are an 85 win team.

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              • tribeTILLiDIE
                Jesus Christ Himself
                • Jul 2009
                • 1107

                #22
                I will consider this season to be a big success for the Tribe if we finish .500 and 3rd in the division.


                So sad.
                Smooth
                lol

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                • NAHSTE
                  Probably owns the site
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 22233

                  #23
                  Originally posted by DJeter2
                  Yankees have another great season. Then they go right threw everyone in the Playoffs and win another World Series.
                  Groaned for being a faggot Yankee fan and using the wrong form of "through"

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