Boise State hypocritical in not wanting to play Idaho

[Senser81]

the skill sets between the two are the same... the biggest difference is the mindset of the two (JPW was weak-minded, where as McElroy shrugs things off) as well as playcalling... Saban often put JPW in situations where he was forced to make a play, which is something he failed at often... with McElroy, he learned from his mistakes and made him more of a game manager, and that paid off, putting much less of the burden on McElroy... couple that with a 09 Bama having a much better running game and much better defense and i can see where you think the two are vastly different... however, i think if you exchanged the two QB's, you'd get the same result...

Its possible that you'd get the same result, but its also possible that 08 Bama could have "weathered the storm" against Utah with McElroy at QB and at the very least make a game of it. JP Wilson was horrible. Bama was a beaten team almost from the start against Utah. I do think a stronger mind-set would have really helped Bama against Utah.

[FirstTimer]

they couldnt do it last year either...

I never said they could. In fact a little further down I say that. But Alabama not being bale to dictate a passing game with a first year starter doesn't mean that in general McElroy was/is the better play and is more of a threat in the passing game than Wilson was.

the skill sets between the two are the same... the biggest difference is the mindset of the two (JPW was weak-minded, where as McElroy shrugs things off) as well as playcalling... Saban often put JPW in situations where he was forced to make a play, which is something he failed at often... with McElroy, he learned from his mistakes and made him more of a game manager, and that paid off, putting much less of the burden on McElroy... couple that with a 09 Bama having a much better running game and much better defense and i can see where you think the two are vastly different... however, i think if you exchanged the two QB's, you'd get the same result...

No way in hell that Bama wins a title with Wilson as the QB. He wasn't that good. McElroy could at least make plays when called on. If Alabama called on Wilson to make plays they might as well have trotted out the punt team.

McElroy is the better player. Bottom line. Regardless if they were forced to play a similar game because of coaching that doesn't mean McElroy wasn't much better at it(which he was) or wasn't more of a threar throwing the ball(he was)

agreed... couple that with another year of growth for Jones, Maze and Peek and of course it will be easier to pass the ball...

Not even sure what your point is anymore. Alabama in 2008 was a drastically one dimensional team with a marginal/below average QB. Alabama in 2009 was a better team at RB, WR, and QB. More well rounded, while still being based on the run. Trying to argue that 08 Bama and 09 Bama are similar on offense while admitting that they are better at RB, WR, and QB doesn't hold water.

oregon state was better than LSU, USCe, Ole Miss and FSU in 2008 and they also beat a #1 ranked team that year

Oregon State also lost 3 of their other 4 games against ranked teams. They weren't that good.

They were not better than USC. They beat them at home and USC ended the year 12-1. I don't think any sane person would argue that Ole Miss was better than Florida even though they finished 9-4(same as Ore St) and beat Florida(a #1 team..not at the time but you get the point.)

They were not better than FSU. FSU finished the season with the same record and ranked ahead of them.

LSU I will give you.

Ole Miss is debatable. But the edge goes to Ole Miss IMO. Same record, better ranking. More Top 25 wins.

yea, but they still lost, at home, to a team they should have beaten easily... this didnt happen to Utah, thus being the basis for argument for them being the best TEAM

And Utah's TEAM played a much weaker schedule against much weaker opponets. Sure Florida should have beaten Ole Miss. But that doesn't change the fact that they still went on a rampage for the rest of the year and beat MUCH better teams than Utah in the process.

you're biased b/c you dont think the small schools can compete with the big boys, ...

I'll assume you mean "can't"....but no. I never said that. What I'm saying is Utah wasn't the best team in 2008.

and yes, i do think Utah had a better body of work than everybody (except texas), with the main reason being they didnt have a loss... like i said, its all conjecture until we get a playoff and nothing can be proven...

Retarded. Utah didn't have a loss. Great. Point conceded. But their overall body of work was not better than Florida, Oklahoma's or Texas'. In fact it's not even close. Hell it's arguable if Utah's body of work is better than USC's.

[FirstTimer]

Its possible that you'd get the same result, but its also possible that 08 Bama could have "weathered the storm" against Utah with McElroy at QB and at the very least make a game of it. JP Wilson was horrible. Bama was a beaten team almost from the start against Utah. I do think a stronger mind-set would have really helped Bama against Utah.

Yeah.. I don't get it. He's basically trying to say 08 and 09 Bama are "similar" even though one(09) was much better at the three most important positions on offense.

[inthecards21]

ive hated Boise ever since that guy who got punched got absolutely no discipline for talking shit to provoke Legarrete Blount

[Senser81]

ive hated Boise ever since that guy who got punched got absolutely no discipline for talking shit to provoke Legarrete Blount

Agree. I can't believe someone would talk shit during a football game. That was the first time I had heard of someone doing that.

[inthecards21]

Agree. I can't believe someone would talk shit during a football game. That was the first time I had heard of someone doing that.

boise could have at least showed some class and punished the guy

[FirstTimer]

boise could have at least showed some class and punished the guy

I think getting knocked out on National TV is punishment enough.

[Senser81]

boise could have at least showed some class and punished the guy

Like how Oregon suspended Blount for the season, but still let him play?

[inthecards21]

I think getting knocked out on National TV is punishment enough.

i hope the Hokies beat them handily, although im not exactly proud to be a hokie supporter considering all the thugs we've had

[Atlas]

I never said they could. In fact a little further down I say that. But Alabama not being bale to dictate a passing game with a first year starter doesn't mean that in general McElroy was/is the better play and is more of a threat in the passing game than Wilson was.

meh, i chalk most of that up to better player management by the OC and Saban...

No way in hell that Bama wins a title with Wilson as the QB. He wasn't that good. McElroy could at least make plays when called on. If Alabama called on Wilson to make plays they might as well have trotted out the punt team.

McElroy is the better player. Bottom line. Regardless if they were forced to play a similar game because of coaching that doesn't mean McElroy wasn't much better at it(which he was) or wasn't more of a threar throwing the ball(he was)

read above

Not even sure what your point is anymore. Alabama in 2008 was a drastically one dimensional team with a marginal/below average QB. Alabama in 2009 was a better team at RB, WR, and QB. More well rounded, while still being based on the run. Trying to argue that 08 Bama and 09 Bama are similar on offense while admitting that they are better at RB, WR, and QB doesn't hold water.

they were still a run first team and McElroy was asked to manage the offense and not lose games... part of the reason McElroy looked better is b/c he wasnt put in situations where he had to make a play, he relied more on a running game that was much better in 2009 as opposed to 2008... i still think if you gave 2009's team to JPW, Bama would still win a title... its not like the kid was eric ainge...

Oregon State also lost 3 of their other 4 games against ranked teams. They weren't that good.

They were not better than USC. They beat them at home and USC ended the year 12-1. I don't think any sane person would argue that Ole Miss was better than Florida even though they finished 9-4(same as Ore St) and beat Florida(a #1 team..not at the time but you get the point.)

They were not better than FSU. FSU finished the season with the same record and ranked ahead of them.

LSU I will give you.

Ole Miss is debatable. But the edge goes to Ole Miss IMO. Same record, better ranking. More Top 25 wins.

USCe=South Carolina, not USC... the "e" means east.... they were better than FSU and Ole Miss, as, like you said, not all ranked teams are created equal...

And Utah's TEAM played a much weaker schedule against much weaker opponets. Sure Florida should have beaten Ole Miss. But that doesn't change the fact that they still went on a rampage for the rest of the year and beat MUCH better teams than Utah in the process.

a loss is a loss, and Utah didnt have one...

I'll assume you mean "can't"....but no. I never said that. What I'm saying is Utah wasn't the best team in 2008.

no, i meant what i typed, so ??? and im saying Utah was the best team that year, and again, you are reading to much into talent alone... Utah played the best as a team... please comprehend that...

Retarded. Utah didn't have a loss. Great. Point conceded. But their overall body of work was not better than Florida, Oklahoma's or Texas'. In fact it's not even close. Hell it's arguable if Utah's body of work is better than USC's.

i think that it was, Utah was the only undefeated team when all was said and done, and handily beat what many thought was the second best team in the country at the time... i dont put much stock in this type of argument, but some people do (you seem like one of them): Utah beat Bama at a "neutral" site by a larger margin than UF...

[FirstTimer]

meh, i chalk most of that up to better player management by the OC and Saban...

They had a better player to manage.

they were still a run first team and McElroy was asked to manage the offense and not lose games... part of the reason McElroy looked better is b/c he wasnt put in situations where he had to make a play, he relied more on a running game that was much better in 2009 as opposed to 2008... i still think if you gave 2009's team to JPW, Bama would still win a title... its not like the kid was eric ainge...

I never said Alabama wasn't a run first team. I was saying McElroy is better than Wilson. That's obvious to anyone who watched Alabama at all over the last 3-4 seasons.

USCe=South Carolina, not USC... the "e" means east.... they were better than FSU and Ole Miss, as, like you said, not all ranked teams are created equal..

Point.


Your head.

Yeah which is why I sited Ole Miss' higher ranking, more Top 25 wins etc.

a loss is a loss, and Utah didnt have one...

NO WAY!!!

But Texas did and you said their body of work was better than Utah's so why even concede Texas at all?

You can't decide what the hell you want to argue.

If you want to argue Utah was the best team in the nation only because they didn't have a loss. Fine. I don't have a counter for that. But if you want to play the "body" of work card it's not true. Numerous other 1 loss/ a 2 loss team had better bodies of work.

i think that it was, Utah was the only undefeated team when all was said and done, and handily beat what many thought was the second best team in the country at the time...

Not "many" enough seeing as Florida was the #2 team at the time by a wide margin. Texas was #3. Bama was #4

i dont put much stock in this type of argument, but some people do (you seem like one of them) Utah beat Bama at a "neutral" site by a larger margin than UF...

You're a fucking idiot. The transitive property is fucking retarded. Hell I don't think Ole Miss or Ore St are better than Florida or USC when they beat them head to head..let alone using some dumbassed transitive property BS.

[Atlas]

They had a better player to manage.

meh, he's not that much better...

I never said Alabama wasn't a run first team. I was saying McElroy is better than Wilson. That's obvious to anyone who watched Alabama at all over the last 3-4 seasons.

fucking durr, but its not like we are comparing Peyton Manning to Eric Ainge here... the two are much more similar than they are different... McElroy had much better weapons to work with as well...

Point.


Your head.

Yeah which is why I sited Ole Miss' higher ranking, more Top 25 wins etc.

cited*, and according to the SOS, with oregon state having played the tougher schedule and having the same record, one can assume oregon state was the better team...

NO WAY!!!

But Texas did and you said their body of work was better than Utah's so why even concede Texas at all?

again, durrrr, but i think if the two met head to head at a neutral site, Utah would have walked away with a W...

You can't decide what the hell you want to argue.

you just cant comprehend things...

If you want to argue Utah was the best team in the nation only because they didn't have a loss. Fine. I don't have a counter for that. But if you want to play the "body" of work card it's not true. Numerous other 1 loss/ a 2 loss team had better bodies of work.

again, you argue solely based on talent, where as im arguing their ability to play as a team... BYU, TCU, Oregon State and Bama were arguably as good as any four wins over ranked teams by any team that year, with the exceptions being UF and Texas (solely b/c of their bowl wins)...

Not "many" enough seeing as Florida was the #2 team at the time by a wide margin. Texas was #3. Bama was #4

people still thought Bama was the second best team, b/c as you so astutely put it, ranked teams are not created equal... lol

You're a fucking idiot. The transitive property is fucking retarded. Hell I don't think Ole Miss or Ore St are better than Florida or USC when they beat them head to head..let alone using some dumbassed transitive property BS.

dont get butthurt b/c your knowledge of college football is limited to homerist statements and what you read on EPSN... i call em like i see em, and you seem like a total fucking retard...

[Warner2BruceTD]

ive hated Boise ever since that guy who got punched got absolutely no discipline for talking shit to provoke Legarrete Blount

Odds are Blount was yapping all game long, he's that kind of player.

Bottom line, is players talk shit after every game, but you never see guys get cold cocked for it. Not to mention Blount went after fans, too. Blount was 100% the guilty party.

[FirstTimer]

meh, he's not that much better...

Yes he is.

ucking durr, but its not like we are comparing Peyton Manning to Eric Ainge here... the two are much more similar than they are different... McElroy had much better weapons to work with as well...

McElroy is better. better weapons doesn't explain the high completiong %, and FAR FAR FAR better TD/INT ratio.

cited*, and according to the SOS, with oregon state having played the tougher schedule and having the same record, one can assume oregon state was the better team...

I love how you note my typo..yet seem completely incapable of using the shift key.

......Really?

1. Oregon State's SOS is a direct result of playing 5 top 25 teams...3 of which they lost to.

Ole Miss beat Florida, LSU, Tex Tech. Three of the teams which boosted their SOS to where it was. Ole Miss did better against the SOS boosting teams than Ore St did.

again, durrrr, but i think if the two met head to head at a neutral site, Utah would have walked away with a W...

Obviously you think that.

you just cant comprehend things...

Sorry I'm not fluent in 'tard.

again, you argue solely based on talent

No it's not. I don't think I've cited the "overall talent" of the teams in any post. The closest I have come is saying those teams had better units on both sides of the football, but that's not soley a "talent" argument. It has to do with coaching, scheme, balance etc as well.

BYU, TCU, Oregon State and Bama were arguably as good as any four wins over ranked teams by any team that year, with the exceptions being UF and Texas (solely b/c of their bowl wins)...

You can't even make up your mind. You cite Utah's bowl win as being one of the better wins they had, then later cite Florida's and Texas' "body of work" being better than Utah's, but ONLY because of their bowl wins. Yeah because Florida and Texas' massive SOS advantage only has to do with one game at the end of the season. Florida and Texas' regular season ranked wins match up as well or even better than Utah's PLUS the end of season wins..PLUS the tougher conference and OOC games.

people still thought Bama was the second best team, b/c as you so astutely put it, ranked teams are not created equal... lol

Who are these "people"? You? The major polls and the BCS all had them at #4.

dont get butthurt b/c your knowledge of college football is limited to homerist statements and what you read on EPSN

Yeah. I'm an Alabama, Texas., Florida, and USC homer. That's it. You caught me.

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i call em like i see em, and you seem like a total fucking retard...

Says the kid who can't use the shift key.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Atlas and FirstTimer in a multi-quite battle royal?

I think I'll pass on that reading material.