Mel Kiper Is A Cocksucker

[Tailback U]

So let me get this straight.

He gave Clausen a B+ because he looked pretty good out there, better than all the other rookie QBs thus far. Which you agreed to.

He gave Tebow a B because he looked decent but played against terrible competition, which you again agreed to.

He gave McCoy a D for bombing, again which you agreed to.

So what the fuck are you crying about?

[Deviant]

He did give him a B though....not really sure what that means or if it even matters though. I don't think anyone has ever denied Tebow would be the 2nd/3rd string QB this year, so I really don't get your complaint.

He gave him a B because anything lower would have made him look like a complete hater. He graded Tebow like the teacher that really doesn't like you or wants to see you fail, but because you clearly have done well, he just left his hatred in the comments. If Tebow had bombed, he would have said, "I said it all along, Tebow can't not play at this level" which is strange considering that he gave pity to McCoy would absolutely bombed.

[ralaw]

He gave him a B because anything lower would have made him look like a complete hater. He graded Tebow like the teacher that really doesn't like you or wants to see you fail, but because you clearly have done well, he just left his hatred in the comments. If Tebow had bombed, he would have said, "I said it all along, Tebow can't not play at this level" which is strange considering that he gave pity to McCoy would absolutely bombed.

Are you sure you're not a Denver fan?

[KNUBB]

I don't even know why Russell's name is even being brought up, but to say he wasn't an impressive college QB is retarded. He threw for over 3000 yards and completed 68% of his passes with a 28-8 Td/Int ratio. I don't know about you but that is a hell of a season.


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[Champ]

Tapatalk works now?

[Deviant]

Are you sure you're not a Denver fan?

Positive. Victor Cruz is currently the rookie I care about. Giants/Nets/Devils/Yankees fan. My college teams are Clemson and Oregon State, so there are no college ties. I took shots at Tebow when he lost to Alabama. I'm just not understanding why everyone else gets fair treatment and Tebow's being pointed out in terms of his barely started NFL career. It's not because it's Tebow, but more because it's someone who's being made a target for no reason.

[FirstTimer]

I don't even know why Russell's name is even being brought up, but to say he wasn't an impressive college QB is retarded. He threw for over 3000 yards and completed 68% of his passes with a 28-8 Td/Int ratio. I don't know about you but that is a hell of a season.


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Kind of ignores the fact that Russell played in a water downed one read passing game. LSU was better when they ran the ball more. If you actually look back at the games his JR season where Russell threw the ball a lot he wasn't all that great, his team lost games, or scraped by. After a mid season loss to I believe Florida LSU started running the ball a ton. Taking the ball out of his hands and making the reads easier.

Hell, Russell wasn't even the best QB in the SEC that season. Woodson from Kentucky was.

[ralaw]

Positive. Victor Cruz is currently the rookie I care about. Giants/Nets/Devils/Yankees fan. My college teams are Clemson and Oregon State, so there are no college ties. I took shots at Tebow when he lost to Alabama. I'm just not understanding why everyone else gets fair treatment and Tebow's being pointed out in terms of his barely started NFL career. It's not because it's Tebow, but more because it's someone who's being made a target for no reason.

I can understand your concern, but I'd probably wait a few games in the regular season, where he's showing his ability before I brought this up. What happens if he sucks next game? At the end of the day he played well for his first preseason game, but that's about it.

It's because this site is a cesspool that find it hard to believe that good people exist. Everyone on here was waiting for him to come out there and stink up the joint so they could go on the attack. When he played well all they could do was attack the opposition, even though Brady Quinn who has been in the NFL for a few years now and even started and won games at times looked 20 times worse than Tebow against that same opposition. VSN's relationship with Tebow is the clearest example of "Haters gonna Hate" that I have seen in some time.

I actually want to see Tebow do well and have done so since he was at Florida, because I've always enjoyed his style of play. However, on the other hand I don't get why people are so concerned with people hating on him either. I want to see Tebow do well, but I'd also like to see how you would respond if Tebow couldn't make it and was released from the team.

In the end I don't think he'll be an elite QB who can carry an offense, but I do believe he'll be servicable, lead well and win games (so as long as he has the supporting cast around him).

[Senser81]

I don't even know why Russell's name is even being brought up, but to say he wasn't an impressive college QB is retarded. He threw for over 3000 yards and completed 68% of his passes with a 28-8 Td/Int ratio. I don't know about you but that is a hell of a season.


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Maybe I came off too harsh...he was a really good college QB, but he wasn't great IMO, and he wasn't a leader. He also only had one season that was notable. For that to translate to #1 overall pick means, to me, that he was being picked more on potential than performance.

[Deviant]

I can understand your concern, but I'd probably wait a few games in the regular season, where he's showing his ability before I brought this up. What happens if he sucks next game? At the end of the day he played well for his first preseason game, but that's about it.

By ability, I mean that he can throw the ball down field, he's hitting targets accurately, and he can make plays. That he clearly has.

Of course the verdict is still out on whether he can play the quarterback position effectively. I don't think he'll be starting anytime soon and honestly none of us know if he's ready to or not. We won't know that for some time. Will he be good? No one knows yet.

However, my point is that Kiper never even said he played well, yet lauded Bradford and Clausen, pitied McCoy, and gunned down Tebow in his comments. That's what is befuddling to me. He came on air knowing that he was going after Tebow and it was clear in his verdict on the games.

[killgod]

Kind of ignores the fact that Russell played in a water downed one read passing game. LSU was better when they ran the ball more. If you actually look back at the games his JR season where Russell threw the ball a lot he wasn't all that great, his team lost games, or scraped by. After a mid season loss to I believe Florida LSU started running the ball a ton. Taking the ball out of his hands and making the reads easier.

Hell, Russell wasn't even the best QB in the SEC that season. Woodson from Kentucky was.

So if the above is all true, how does Russell become a #1 Draft pick and touted like Kiper did?

How does a fan recognize the system, his losing/scraping by and that he was only decent when they were running well.

How does a scout/etc not see that?

What do they look at that you and I aren't seeing? Is it just his raw physical talent/build that all that care for?

[Houston]

Wouldn't be the first time someone showed favorites in the sports world.

[Senser81]

So if the above is all true, how does Russell become a #1 Draft pick and touted like Kiper did?

How does a fan recognize the system, his losing/scraping by and that he was only decent when they were running well.

How does a scout/etc not see that?

What do they look at that you and I aren't seeing? Is it just his raw physical talent/build that all that care for?

Scouts are retarded. A lot of scouts in the NFL have never coached, so they are unable to see the "big picture", meaning they don't have a grasp as to how a player will really fit into their system. I think the Niners of the 1980's did so well because Bill Walsh made his own judgments on draft picks, and Walsh could see how someone of limited physical ability could still produce in his system. The Raiders seem to always draft players with one or two great physical attributes, yet they never really see the "big picture" and they end up with busts. Guys like Russell, Darren McFadden, Robert Gallery, and Hayward-Bey had one or two super physical traits, but they also had flaws that were overlooked.

[ralaw]

So if the above is all true, how does Russell become a #1 Draft pick and touted like Kiper did?

How does a fan recognize the system, his losing/scraping by and that he was only decent when they were running well.

How does a scout/etc not see that?

What do they look at that you and I aren't seeing? Is it just his raw physical talent/build that all that care for?

Hindsight.

If Russell became anything of value none of what FT mentioned would have mattered.

This is what happens and is the process. GMs/scouts fall in love with players, they look at tapes see an ability and see potential, they draft them high, they bust out and then people go and look at the tape without the rose colored glasses and critique with the understanding that the player didn't make it. Although I do rememeber a lot of people not liking the Russell pick, because they felt he didn't have it all upstairs.

[killgod]

Scouts are retarded. A lot of scouts in the NFL have never coached, so they are unable to see the "big picture", meaning they don't have a grasp as to how a player will really fit into their system. I think the Niners of the 1980's did so well because Bill Walsh made his own judgments on draft picks, and Walsh could see how someone of limited physical ability could still produce in his system. The Raiders seem to always draft players with one or two great physical attributes, yet they never really see the "big picture" and they end up with busts. Guys like Russell, Darren McFadden, Robert Gallery, and Hayward-Bey had one or two super physical traits, but they also had flaws that were overlooked.

I see, would make sense cause I believe that BB has always had alot of influence on the Patriots draft selections and they've typically drafted pretty well over the years.

If this is the case, why aren't more coaches involved instead of landing hit or miss talent from a 'retarded' scout? Or simply, why are scouts even used if they aren't prior coaches and are less likely to get you what you need?