Mel Kiper Is A Cocksucker

[Senser81]

To be fair for the Raiders and any other team. I don't really like calling people out bust until they have play 3 season in the league. It usually takes Wide Receivers 3 years alone to put everything together.

Gallery has been in the league more than 3 years, and Russell has already been released from the team. Even if Russell turns out to be the next superstar, he will have been a wasted pick for the Raiders.

[Senser81]

I see, would make sense cause I believe that BB has always had alot of influence on the Patriots draft selections and they've typically drafted pretty well over the years.

If this is the case, why aren't more coaches involved instead of landing hit or miss talent from a 'retarded' scout? Or simply, why are scouts even used if they aren't prior coaches and are less likely to get you what you need?

I think its because the scouts report to the GM, and the GM is also usually someone with no coaching experience. The GM gets his position (usually) by being friends with the owner, and the scouts get their positions (usually) by being friends with the GM. Its like you have an entire separate group evaluating the talent, and they have zero involvement with the utilization of that talent.

Its like going to Best Buy and asking one of their 15-year old employees the benefits of a certain refrigerator model, yet the 15-year old has never bought, owned, or used a refrigerator in his life.

[manchild24]

you're just realizing this now that he is a cocksucker? It was funny draft day watching his number 1 guy Jim Clausen slip slide away and the disgust on his face everytime his name wasnt called.

what the hell makes him an expert? I can get a list of draft guys and do the same for ALOT less money then ESPN is blowing up his ass

[Senser81]

Yeah sorry, I mainly was only talking about McFadden and Heyward-Bey.

Gallery is a good Offensive Guard though, but for the amount of money and draft slot he was picked he is considered a bust.

Gallery is decent, and he had the size and speed to be a great player, but I think he wasn't nasty enough/aggressive enough to really be a force.

[FirstTimer]

So if the above is all true, how does Russell become a #1 Draft pick and touted like Kiper did?

How does a fan recognize the system, his losing/scraping by and that he was only decent when they were running well.

How does a scout/etc not see that?

What do they look at that you and I aren't seeing? Is it just his raw physical talent/build that all that care for?

At the time, even before the draft, there were scouts who questioned his leadership ability, his ability to handle a complex offense base don what he was able to handle or not handle at LSU, etc.

I still remember talking about it at MM and posting some scouts takes on Russell and BBIB coming in and basically calling the scouts racist. The opinion was out there and frankly it's not overly surprising the Raiders took the guy..with their history of shitty drafts.

Hindsight.

Not really. I went back and forth with Nahste about this years ago even before the draft. You can ask him. Nothing I said was "hindsight" because I was saying it before Russel was even picked. I thought at the time Russell best option would have been to go to Detroit where he could sit behind Kitna for a season or so, learn the NFL game and an NFL offense. Oakland was Russel's worst possible scenario. He was going to a dysfunctional shitty franchise, with no offensive line, no real QB to learn from(Garcia had no intention of being a mentor), and a shitty WR corps. At least in Detroit he had some decent WR's a decent OL and a QB in Kitna who has shown he is willing to help young QB's along. Detroit wasn't a fantastic situation, hence why they had the #2 pick, but it was a far better fit for Russel at the time.

[Senser81]

I thought at the time Russell best option would have been to go to Detroit where he could sit behind Kitna for a season or so, learn the NFL game and an NFL offense.

Yeah, I don't really understand the thought process of drafting a junior QB and then making him an immediate starter. Making polished, senior QBs immediate starters in the NFL probably isn't the best way to do things, but to ask an unpolished junior QB is ridiculous.

[FirstTimer]

Yeah, I don't really understand the thought process of drafting a junior QB and then making him an immediate starter. Making polished, senior QBs immediate starters in the NFL probably isn't the best way to do things, but to ask an unpolished junior QB is ridiculous.

Yeah and like I said, obviously Detroit wasn't a great situation to walk into overall but for Russell it was the best choice of the two by far..if for no other reason than having a guy like Kitna to sit behind who has proven himself to at least be an above average NFL QB who has been willing to work with younger QB's.

[Rayman]

Denver fans are becoming with Tebow what Dallas fans are with Romo.

Not even comparable.

Romo had at the very least shown he could play the NFL game at a high level.

[killgod]

Yeah, I don't really understand the thought process of drafting a junior QB and then making him an immediate starter. Making polished, senior QBs immediate starters in the NFL probably isn't the best way to do things, but to ask an unpolished junior QB is ridiculous.

You guys are way more familiar with NCAA than I am (none), have any full time NFL QB's come straight in from JR before?

[kmanharris]

The guy performed well in his first pre-season action, thus far I don't really understand what you all want from us Broncos fans. When the time comes that he makes a mistake we will be critical of it, I was during that pre-season game thread when he floated one to the sideline that was very dangerous. The hyperbole that we throw out there about him is just a reaction to the unadulterated hate that is thrown his way from almost every non-Bronco fan on the site. The guy has done everything right so far and he's a great guy, I don't know what you all really want from us.

All the hate from the non bronco, non gator fans is because of the ridiculous, over the top love that we have had to endure for the past 4+ years. I don't hate him as much as most. If he succeeds, then good for him. If he fails, well then he is just another bust.

Tim Tebow as a football player and as a person has been rammed down everybody's throats for years now. That is why a lot of people just want to see him fail. If he fails, his name won't be on the ESPN headlines everyday.

[Sportsbuck]

You guys are way more familiar with NCAA than I am (none), have any full time NFL QB's come straight in from JR before?

Not many. This was one of the reasons people argued about Sanchez coming out early.

[Rayman]

Tim Tebow has been far less rammed down our throats than say a Brett Favre or a LeBron James, but I don't sense the same kind of vitriol when their names are brought up.

As far as LeBron, you haven't been paying attention recently, have you?

As far as Favre, no offense, but he wasn't being shoved down our throats before he had even taken a snap of college football.

It seems like forever ago the hype behind some freshman and his jump-throw TD's was starting to make me roll my eyes.

[kmanharris]

Tim Tebow has been far less rammed down our throats than say a Brett Favre or a LeBron James, but I don't sense the same kind of vitriol when their names are brought up.

Agreed. I hate Favre WAY more than Tebow. It might have to do with the fact that Favre/LeBron are some of the best at what they do and Tebow is a 2nd/3rd string QB.

I am sure if you looked though, there are as many haters for Favre/LeBron as for Tebow.

Since Favre has been playing with the media over the last few seasons, everyone but Minnesota and hard-core Favre fans have begun hating him. When LeBron chose Miami, there was incredible backlash by almost everyone except Heat fans. There are haters everywhere and when Tebow gets this amount of coverage when it was his first PRESEASON game, of course they are going to speak out.

[Bigpapa42]

Tim Tebow has been far less rammed down our throats than say a Brett Favre or a LeBron James, but I don't sense the same kind of vitriol when their names are brought up.

You don't see backlast against Favre? Really? Almost any thread about "will he come back?" I see posted on any forum gets a ton of "God, I hate the guy at this point" comments. And most of those have nothing to do with Favre or his talent, but a reaction against the level of media attention on the guy.

Its not really any different from the backlast against USC by neutral fans in the 2005 season, when they got hyped endlessly by ESPN as the "greatest college football team ever" and all that crap. I recall on MM how many fans were thrilled to see SC lose the Rose Bowl simply because of the hype.

With Tebow, I have absolutely nothing against the guy... Yet I can't deny the over-the-top love and hype gets annoying, whether its from Florida fans or now Bronco fans.

[Bigpapa42]

The difference is that Tebow hasn't sought out that attention. He has been respectful to the media and in turn they have showered him with affection as is their tendency. Did the Denver Broncos have to fly their offensive, defensive and special teams captains to Tebow's hometown to convince him to sign his rookie deal? Did he have an hour long special in which he announced he was taking his talents to the rocky mountains? He has done nothing but do everything right so far and still he gets hated on, it makes no sense.

Does "seeking it out" really matter at all? If people are tired of reading hype about someone or something, is the fact of whether that hype and attention is being sought really going to affect their opinion much? Does "deserving" even really matter?

In my comparison to the USC team of 2005, they really didn't "seek out" that hype and attention. Did that matter at all? No. It was just people getitng tired of reading about it and hearing about it.