Redskins talking to Titans about Haynesworth.

[Woy]

lol @ haynesworth "not being the guy." If he's not the guy, he's not happy. If he's not happy, he'll play like a rookie. The guy is more mental than any women i've ever seen.

I'll admit Haynesworth takes plays off, is somewhat of a head case, etc. Once again though, Jim Washburn knows exactly which buttons to push in order to get Big Al to perform...I mean he's spent seven years of his career with him.

I honestly don't think he wanted to leave Tennessee in the first place. He went to college in Knoxville and had a good bit of success with the Titans. However, we didn't want to meet his demands in free agency and Washington decided to overspend for him, leaving us in the cold. Our defense suffered without Haynesworth last season (albeit, I think Schwartz was a bigger loss still) and you saw what happened. He's unhappy in Washington and probably wishes he never would have agreed to that contract with them, especially with Shanahan coming in and switching to the 3-4.

He wants to come back to Tennessee, regardless if he's the guy or not. It's just a matter of whether we truly want him back and if we can offer the right price for him.

[riley420]

While all that is definitely true, don't think for a minute that Shanahan wasn't trying to come in and exert his authority over Haynesworth to prove a point. He has a reputation for it. The conditioning test was such a farce. He was never going to officially "pass" it. It was a punishment for skippnig OTAs. Nothing more.

Haynesworth is a lazy punk bitch, but Shanny was pushing him to prove a point.

Of course Shanahan was trying to prove a point. He's the head coach of an NFL team that has been on the rocks for the better part of the last 20 years. He's trying to exert leadership and show that the time for fucking around and taking plays off is over.

After Haynesworth has a few rings, he gets to be a prima donna. Until then, he's nothing but the new version of Warren Sapp, just in worse shape.

[Woy]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/pro-bowl-defensive-lineman-alb.html

Pro Bowl defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth has worked with the scout team "a lot" this week during practice, Redskins tight end Chris Cooley revealed in a radio interview Friday morning.

During an interview with the Sports Junkies on 106.7 The Fan, Cooley said Haynesworth, a two-time all-pro selection, primarily has taken snaps with the players who imitate the top offensive and defensive players of the week's opponent. Usually, the scout team is comprised of backups and younger players who do not have major roles. They help the first-team offense and defense prepare for games, in this case the season opener Sunday night against Dallas at FedEx Field.

It is highly unusual for a player of Haynesworth's caliber to practice with the scout team as the season is about to begin. Cooley's comments confirm that the Redskins are handling Haynesworth, who was the subject of trade reports against this week, atypically.

A team source said the Redskins have used starters, second-stringers and third-stringers on the scout team this week. Shanahan, the source said, utilizes as many players as possible in practice, especially because the Redskins do not have any defensive linemen on their practice squad. Haynesworth is one of seven defensive linemen on the 53-man roster.

After receiving few practice reps on Saturday and Monday, Haynesworth on Wednesday began working with the scout team, multiple team sources said. In fact, he has performed so well in the role against Washington's first-team offensive line that Coach Mike Shanahan and defensive coordinator Jim Haslett have congratulated him in front of teammates.(That may not portend well for the offensive line against Dallas's star pass rusher, DeMarcus Ware).

Cooley did not mention that while the bulk of Haynesworth's reps have come with the scout team, he also has received practice reps in the team's nickel packages. In addition to working with the scout team Wednesday and Thursday, Haynesworth, the team's top pass-rushing defensive lineman, was part of nickel packages Wednesday and Thursday.

What does all this mean?

The Redskins and Tennessee Titans reportedly are in trade discussions about Haynesworth. Shanahan and Haynesworth have met privately at least twice this week, team sources said. It is unclear what they discussed, but this much is known: Something very strange is going on with Haynesworth in practice this week.

He's obviously not getting traded this week, but possibly next week by Tuesday? Shanahan has said he'll be with the Redskins on Sunday but didn't deny anything concerning the future. Fisher hasn't denied anything as well.

I think he'll be traded before the trade deadline, but the longer the 'Skins wait, the more other teams could try and get involved.

[QuietStorm]

I would like to see a 3 team trade happen.

Titans get... Haynesworth
Chargers get... 2nd round pick from Titans and 2012 4th round pick from Skins
Skins get... Vincent Jackson

[Aso]

I would like to see a 3 team trade happen.

Titans get... Haynesworth
Chargers get... 2nd round pick from Titans and 2012 4th round pick from Skins
Skins get... Vincent Jackson

In a 3 way trade the Chargers can't get draft picks from both parties. They would only receive a pick from the Titans in this scenario.

Also I don't see this happening because the Chargers reportedly want a 2nd and 3rd for Jackson while the Titans reportedly are willing to give up a 4th for Haynesworth.

[Herm]

with so many teams spreading defenses out with 11 personnel im surprised nickel isnt a base d for some teams A premium has to be put on LBs who can cover now.

[Diivox]

Haynesworth got his money and then cried because one of the best coaches around

I LOL'd at this one. If he was really one of "the best coaches around" He would be more concerned with motivating his player to become great, not to be punishing him. I think it's pretty terrible coaching when you have a top 5 talent and all you do is try to piss him off to prove a point. one of "the best coaches around" would have known what buttons to push to get the guy happy and playing dominantly, not constantly take shots at him for being upset that everything he signed for a year ago was thrown out the window.

Just because the haters constantly point at the money, doesn't mean that this is all about the money. the money came for a guy to play DT in the 4-3 and the money is wasted on a second string 3-4 DE. that is 100% on "one of the best coaches around", not on Haynesworth. the Redskins lied to him a year ago. Noone in their right mind is going to walk away from that kind of money, especially when those lies have crippled your ability to ever earn that kind of payday again. The Redskins could have cut him before paying the bonus, or never have signed him to the contract that gave it to him in the first place. It's not his fault for taking it. He would have been blackballed by the NFLPA in a labor contract year if he was really that retarded turn down 20+ million.

And then he took 10 days to pass a conditioning test that Mike Golich passed the first time...and he's been retired for 10+ years.

First off, Mike Golic is in some of the best shape of his life thanks to the Nutrisystem, second, playing shape for a player like Haynesworth is completely different from Selling Shape for a Nutrisystem spokesperson, Third, Haynesworth was the only one who had to take that conditioning test (for missing "voluntary" workouts and a minicamp, something many many players do), Fourth, the conditioning test was "passed" via a private workout with noone around but Coach and player. To wrap this paragraph up: the conditioning test was complete and utter bullshit, its just like Favre's "aw shucks, they came to get me" story, it cannot be taken for face value even a little bit, it was just a way for Shanny to give Haynesworth the finger.

Don't give me the "Redskins didn't show him any respect" line. He got his payday.

It's not just about the money. All of Haynesworth's haters always talk about the money and nothing else. It's about broken promises. and whatever happened last year, whatever bonus he collected in the offseason, has nothing to do with the way that the Redskins have treated him. They have completely disrespected him and for what? to play hardball? to not have one of your best players on the field? To give piles of money to someone that you clearly dont even want around?

Now go do what you're told to do on the field and earn your ridiculous salary.

he is doing that. playing for the second string. the entire last preseason game too. He has been doing what he was told to do on the field the entire time he has been present at camp. He is earning his ridiculous salary playing on the scout team. All he has done is make vocal his concerns about it not being the right fit, which does not in any way contradict the wisdom of the previous quote.

He's a giant cry baby, the TO of defense...and any team that trades for him deserves what they get after seeing his shenanigans this summer.

The TO comparison is apples and oranges. TO complained about his contract but he produced on the field (and the one year he didnt produce in Buffalo, you didnt hear a word out of him). You simultaneously insult the guy for not "doing what he is told on the field" by "one of the best coaches around" but then say that he doesnt deserve his "ridiculous salary". The easiest way to eliminate the ridiculous salary?

CUT HIM. THAT'S ALL THE REDSKINS HAVE TO DO.

Then he's not earning the ridiculous salary, "one of the best coaches around" proves his point without having to deal with this bullshit anymore, and Haynesworth gets to go play wherever he wants.

Face it dudes, this situation is 100% on the Redskins.

[Woy]

http://dcprosportsreport.com/2010/09/14/report-redskins-trying-to-trade-haynesworth/

The NFL regular season has started and the Redskins just won a huge, heart-stopping game against their hated division rival Dallas Cowboys. Nevertheless, Fat Albert continues to dominate the news. ESPN’s Chris Mortensen is reporting that the Redskins are still trying to trade disgruntled DL Albert Haynesworth.

Mort reports that the Redskins “could try” to trade Haynesworth through Tuesday, and that the Titans remain the top potential trade partner.

The price had been a second-round draft pick; Mort believes that the Redskins may take less than that. He says that Haynesworth hasn’t learned the Redskins’ 3-4 defense and that he doesn’t care to learn it.

Redskins Head Coach Mike Shanahan praised Haynesworth’s effort on Sunday night [I thought his effort was disgraceful] and sounded a hopeful note about having him on the team all season. However, that could very easily be happy talk designed to alleviate concerns some teams may have about trading for an angry and disruptive head-case.

My view is that the Redskins should hold firm and not just deal Haynesworth for anything. Fat Albert can be a fantastic player when he wants to be and after all the money Dan Snyder has given him over the past 18 months, his contract is now very reasonable. In other words, he’s a valuable commodity. Giving him away makes no sense, particularly because it gives other players the impression that they can complain their way off the team if they don’t like something the coaching staff is doing — even if what they are doing is perfectly reasonable.

Trade Haynesworth for real value or don’t trade him.

I'm going to continue to update this until something comes up, because chances are this will be dragged on till the trade deadline.

I thought the Jets would be a potential team in the race with Jenkins gone again, but that's not the case:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/14/jets-are-doubtful-to-pursue-haynesworth/

The Redskins possibly have been dragging their feet regarding a possible trade of defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth due to the reality that it only requires one torn ACL to a 4-3 defensive tackle to create a much more active market for Haynesworth's services.

In one of the last games of Week One, a defensive tackle did indeed pop an ACL, but the defensive tackle plays in a 3-4 front, not a 4-3.

And so now that the Jets have lost Kris Jenkins, would Albert Haynesworth be a candidate to replace him?

For now, it's a proposition that a source with knowledge of the situation has characterized as doubtful. (Another source with knowledge of the situation called it "unlikely.") Though there are indications that the Haynesworth camp could be interested, given the manner in which the Jets do things and the belief that he'd mesh with the coaching staff, the fact that the Jets employ a 3-4 defense makes the Jets a team for which Haynesworth most likely would not want to play, since Haynesworth has made clear his desire not to play in a 3-4 front.

(Coincidentally, Jenkins was a 4-3 defensive tackle who made the transition to the 3-4 nose tackle position after being traded from the Panthers to the Jets.)

Then there's the question of the Jets working out a deal with the Redskins. If the Redskins want a second-round pick, the Jets surely wouldn't be inclined to pursue Haynesworth.

Still, with more than $30 million already paid to Haynesworth by the Redskins, the practical duration of his contract is three years and $16 million. It's a very reasonable number, if Haynesworth is willing to give it his all.

Again, it's a doubtful proposition at this point that he'll join the Jets.

And from Albert Haynesworth's (supposedly legit) Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000584362086&v=wall&ref=ts

Albert Haynesworth I wish I could go home!!!
Yesterday at 12:05pm via Facebook for iPhone

[Champ]

Either get rid of him or dont im tired of listening about his fat ass

[Aso]

I LOL'd at this one. If he was really one of "the best coaches around" He would be more concerned with motivating his player to become great, not to be punishing him. I think it's pretty terrible coaching when you have a top 5 talent and all you do is try to piss him off to prove a point. one of "the best coaches around" would have known what buttons to push to get the guy happy and playing dominantly, not constantly take shots at him for being upset that everything he signed for a year ago was thrown out the window.

What Shanahan is doing is a form of motivation. No coach knows 'what buttons to push' for a guy they've never coached before.

He was signed to play football. The players don't get to pick the system. He was signed to play football, period. You don't say "well, we can't play a 3-4 this year because we promised Haynesworth we'd play a 4-3. Oh well."

Just because the haters constantly point at the money, doesn't mean that this is all about the money. the money came for a guy to play DT in the 4-3 and the money is wasted on a second string 3-4 DE. that is 100% on "one of the best coaches around", not on Haynesworth. the Redskins lied to him a year ago. Noone in their right mind is going to walk away from that kind of money, especially when those lies have crippled your ability to ever earn that kind of payday again. The Redskins could have cut him before paying the bonus, or never have signed him to the contract that gave it to him in the first place. It's not his fault for taking it. He would have been blackballed by the NFLPA in a labor contract year if he was really that retarded turn down 20+ million.

Lol at the Redskins lied to him a year ago. Did the Redskins plan the entire time to suck in 2009 and then go to a 3-4 and hire Shanahan and piss him off. Thats one really oddly run organization. They told him they'd play a 4-3 defense and that they did. They decided to go in another direction with their defense. Again, are they suppose to say "well, we can't play a 3-4 this year because Haynesworth will get angry."

So all of a sudden Haynesworth isn't responsible for his own actions. He got paid to play football and that is something he was skipping out on. How is it all of a sudden acceptable for a player to not honor his contract simply because he doesn't like the scheme the team is playing.

First off, Mike Golic is in some of the best shape of his life thanks to the Nutrisystem, second, playing shape for a player like Haynesworth is completely different from Selling Shape for a Nutrisystem spokesperson, Third, Haynesworth was the only one who had to take that conditioning test (for missing "voluntary" workouts and a minicamp, something many many players do), Fourth, the conditioning test was "passed" via a private workout with noone around but Coach and player. To wrap this paragraph up: the conditioning test was complete and utter bullshit, its just like Favre's "aw shucks, they came to get me" story, it cannot be taken for face value even a little bit, it was just a way for Shanny to give Haynesworth the finger.

He should've came to camp in football shape then or just not missed anything mandatory. That's all on Haynesworth.

It's not just about the money. All of Haynesworth's haters always talk about the money and nothing else. It's about broken promises. and whatever happened last year, whatever bonus he collected in the offseason, has nothing to do with the way that the Redskins have treated him. They have completely disrespected him and for what? to play hardball? to not have one of your best players on the field? To give piles of money to someone that you clearly dont even want around?

Again, lol at broken promises. All of a sudden the players are the ones who decide what scheme the team will run? No, leave that up to the coaches. The reason Haynesworth came to Washington was to play in the 4-3 and that the Redskins did but Zorn was fired, Shanny wanted a change in philosophy. You get paid to play football, if you take the money... then play football. Honor your contract. How exactly have the Redskins disrespected him? Because the last regime said they would play a 4-3 and all of a sudden Shanahan is suppose to follow the promises made by Zorn. How ridiculous. They haven't disrespected him at all. To me it looks like if Haynesworth wanted to be around, then the Redskins would want him there. He doesn't want to be there, therefore the Redskins probably don't want him there.

he is doing that. playing for the second string. the entire last preseason game too. He has been doing what he was told to do on the field the entire time he has been present at camp. He is earning his ridiculous salary playing on the scout team. All he has done is make vocal his concerns about it not being the right fit, which does not in any way contradict the wisdom of the previous quote.

The TO comparison is apples and oranges. TO complained about his contract but he produced on the field (and the one year he didnt produce in Buffalo, you didnt hear a word out of him). You simultaneously insult the guy for not "doing what he is told on the field" by "one of the best coaches around" but then say that he doesnt deserve his "ridiculous salary". The easiest way to eliminate the ridiculous salary?

CUT HIM. THAT'S ALL THE REDSKINS HAVE TO DO.

Then he's not earning the ridiculous salary, "one of the best coaches around" proves his point without having to deal with this bullshit anymore, and Haynesworth gets to go play wherever he wants.

Face it dudes, this situation is 100% on the Redskins.

If he does what the Redskins tell him to do which it looks like he currently is then whatever his salary may be, he's earning it. It also looks like the Redskins will let him line up over the center and play as a 1 technique. That's how it looked against the Cowboys and the TV announcers said that the Redskins have no problem playing a defense like that because one of the inside linebackers can fill the other A gap. If this is true then everything should be all well and good in Washington. Except it seems Haynesworth is mad about the amount of plays he's getting. Thats not up to him. Just do what the coaches tell you, get in good graces with them and everything will turn out right.

[BigBucs]

Of course Shanahan was trying to prove a point. He's the head coach of an NFL team that has been on the rocks for the better part of the last 20 years. He's trying to exert leadership and show that the time for fucking around and taking plays off is over.

After Haynesworth has a few rings, he gets to be a prima donna. Until then, he's nothing but the new version of Warren Sapp, just in worse shape.

Kick rocks with that nonsense. Sapp was an excellent leader. He brought his lunch pail everyday and on every play. Sapp and Haynesworth have nothing in common except for them both playing DT.

[Aso]

Hardly even position. Warren Sapp played the 3 technique and Haynesworth plays the 1.

[BigBucs]

Hardly even position. Warren Sapp played the 3 technique and Haynesworth plays the 1.

Yea, if we want to get into the technical mumbo jumbo but the point is how the hell could riley compare that headcase to Warren Sapp?