Vick wants a pet, just too funny

[ralaw]

So torture is a HUGE part of dog fighting? That doesn't excuse the acts of torture or make the acts "Normal".



It's not pointless. Torture is never normal, no matter the environment. Like I said, you and FT have a good point of environment and normal for things that have no malicious intent, like illegal car racing. There is nothing NORMAL about torture.

Normal in the sense of dogfighting. The essence of dogfighting is having the meanest most aggressive dog in order to win the fight. I'm not excusing the act of torture, but instead trying to explain to you that the torture of the animals is a necessary evil in the practice of dogfighting.

In the grand scheme of things its understandable that torturing animals isn't normal; however your and Larry's assertion that torturing by means of dogfighting is a sign of greater issues to come isn't entirely true.

Kids who torture animals for fun generally have issues, because there really is no basis or means to an end in, in what they do. These types of people take joy in seeing animals suffer. However, most dogfighters who torture animals are doing so for the sole purpose of competition. I understand torturing animals is a bad thing, but as sad as it sounds this is a reality of of the dogfighting culture.

[NAHSTE]

I am SO, SO, SORRY dude, I didn't know you were from Atlanta.

Yeah, not all Falcons fans on VSN are from Iowa or Virginia. Some of us actually lived, worked and went to school within the city limits of Atlanta.

[MrBill]

LOL at you thinking Vick was getting his hands dirty like this. He was the money behind the ring, bankroll. Show me proof that he killed any dogs himself, with his bare hands, before I'm going to make that leap. At the risk of using a poor analogy, are mob bosses any less of a father to their children because they hire hitmen to kill other people's children?

His henchmen were doing that shit, not him. Doesn't excuse his complicity, but I also don't think it automatically means he is incapable of being a good dog owner today.

You continue to hemorrhage credibility.

[NAHSTE]

You continue to hemorrhage credibility.

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[bucky]

In the grand scheme of things its understandable that torturing animals isn't normal; however your and Larry's assertion that torturing by means of dogfighting is a sign of greater issues to come isn't entirely true.

Here is were we differ a little. I would consider Electrocution, Drowning, Shooting and Beating to death a sign of greater issues.

Kids who torture animals for fun generally have issues, because there really is no basis or means to an end in, in what they do. These types of people take joy in seeing animals suffer. However, most dogfighters who torture animals are doing so for the sole purpose of competition. I understand torturing animals is a bad thing, but as sad as it sounds this is a reality of of the dogfighting culture.

Sorry, but you have to enjoy doing these things,Electrocuting, Drowning, Shooting and Beating to death, if you do them.

Immoral people will try to justify their immoral answers to moral questions. That's what I see happening here. Immoral people trying to justify their immoral answers.

I'm sure you know what I mean. You know I'm not calling you or FT immoral because of your responses. You know that I'm talking about the ones actually doing the acts who are using these as excuses.

They are immoral people justifying there immoral answers to moral questions. Same way Slavery was justified, or some tried to justify it.

[IamMedellin]

so this chick on ESPN compared Vick trying to adopt a dog to a child molester attempting to adoopt a child.

ESPN Blonde says -
after brutally murdering these dogs, no you have no right to own a dog again. Vick did his time, fine, he can live his life and be in the NFL again, but he's lost his right to own a dog and if his daughters really want a dog he should have to tell them why he's not allowed to have one again

Yes She was pissed off

[bucky]

but he's lost his right to own a dog and if his daughters really want a dog he should have to tell them why he's not allowed to have one again"

Well, he should tell his daughters why and let them know how wrong it is.

[DoubleDeuce]

I don't think he should be allowed to own a dog again. There are some lines you just don't cross

[NAHSTE]

so this chick on ESPN compared Vick trying to adopt a dog to a child molester attempting to adoopt a child.




Yes She was pissed off

Yeah she's been ranting about this shit on twitter all week too. What difference does it make in her life if Vick owns a dog?

[Bear Pand]

Here is were we differ a little. I would consider Electrocution, Drowning, Shooting and Beating to death a sign of greater issues.

Sorry, but you have to enjoy doing these things,Electrocuting, Drowning, Shooting and Beating to death, if you do them.

Immoral people will try to justify their immoral answers to moral questions. That's what I see happening here. Immoral people trying to justify their immoral answers.

I'm sure you know what I mean. You know I'm not calling you or FT immoral because of your responses. You know that I'm talking about the ones actually doing the acts who are using these as excuses.

They are immoral people justifying there immoral answers to moral questions. Same way Slavery was justified, or some tried to justify it.

What is your goal to just repeat the bolded over and over again like it's so shocking and horrifying people will eventually have no choice but to agree with you?

Would I ELECTROCUTE, DROWN, SHOOT, or BEAT a dog TO DEATH? No. But It's obviously a part of dog fighting. He isn't involved dogfighting anymore so he has 0 motivation to do these type of things. If he wants a dog let him have one.

And why are you bringing up slavery. This whole issue is ridiculous, people talking about pedophiles and slave owners.

[ram29jackson]

It's OK if you rank things in the order:

Child Molester
Drunk Driver
Sadistic Dog Killer/Torturer.

I would too. BUT...

Anyone that can do the things he did to those dogs should never own a pet, no-matter how you rank these.

get over it. There was a point where he treated some dogs like livestock and some as pets. he just wants a pet now. Quite frankly, its no ones business and he doesnt need to tell anyone.

Farmers have livestock and pets and no one freaks out about that...at least not normal people.

[bucky]

Would I ELECTROCUTE, DROWN, SHOOT, or BEAT a dog TO DEATH? No. But It's obviously a part of dog fighting. He isn't involved dogfighting anymore so he has 0 motivation to do these type of things. If he wants a dog let him have one.

It goes beyond "It's a part of dog fighting". It takes a certain kind of person to be able to do such malicious things. To say, "It's just a part of dog fighting" is trying to justify something that is unjustifiable. That goes with the immoral people trying to justify their immoral answers to moral questions.

If he had the mental makeup to torture dogs, and it's proven he has, there is no reason to think he couldn't/wouldn't do it again, and he shouldn't have one.

And "Slavery" was just an example of immoral people trying to justify their immoral answers to moral questions. Not comparing it to dog fighting. Thought you would have been smart enough to realize it was used to help explain the bolded.

[bucky]

get over it. There was a point where he treated some dogs like livestock and some as pets. he just wants a pet now. Quite frankly, its no ones business and he doesnt need to tell anyone.

Farmers have livestock and pets and no one freaks out about that...at least not normal people.

Except farmers aren't intentionally malicious in there actions. Malicious is not there purpose. The Dog Fighting and the other things he did around the dog fighting were malicious and intentionally malicious. There is a HUGE difference.

[ram29jackson]

I don't think he should be allowed to own a dog again. There are some lines you just don't cross

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[bucky]

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I've been trying to thank good discussion. Even when I disagree, but dude, this post is just retarded.