Hey Mike Martz

[NAHSTE]

No one claimed the Bears lost because of that play.

At least I haven't.

It was still a stupid fucking playcall.

I haven't either. But it was a stupid fucking playcall.

When you have these aggressive mindsets, you take the good with the bad.

I don't disagree with your overall point, but this wasn't the cause of an aggressive mindset. It seemed like a classic case of overthinking the situation. Forte/Taylor could have gotten that 3, or at least stood a better chance. And if not, you at least get positive yards and have a manageable 4th down. Gotta think north-south when it's 4-down territory. (And as much as I hate the phrase '4-down territory' it's applicable here.) This wasn't an aggressive playcall, it was a cute playcall.

[1ke]

The 2 slot guys ran outs, and the 2 outside guys ran posts. Forte coming out of the backfield more than likely would have been open.

Anyway...I didnt like the playcall, but its ok to try to block too. No scapegoats from me, just the need for better blocking, tackling, and throwing.

[FirstTimer]

You can't think about later on in that moment though

Ok,
I told you the logic for not using it at the time too.

Pick whatever one you want not using the timeout was fine. The timeout that hurt them was the one before the jet sweep because the Bears were in hurry up and had Green Bay on their heels.

[mgoblue2290]

Ok,
I told you the logic for not using it at the time too.

Pick whatever one you want not using the timeout was fine. The timeout that hurt them was the one before the jet sweep because the Bears were in hurry up and had Green Bay on their heels.

The moment changed once the WR reverse was called though. Green Baby got the big stop. I just think in that scenario, you call a time out and get your 3rd string QB settled down regardless of how he was doing in the hurry up. Yes it could've forced them to hurry up later on, but later one wasn't guaranteed seeing as its 4th down.

We're going in circles at this point, at least we can agree a WR reverse was absolutely ridiculous.

[FirstTimer]

The moment changed once the WR reverse was called though. .

Maybe the reverse works prior to the timeout when Green Bay is on it's heels. Plus the Forte run they audible d to looked like it had A LOT going for it at the snap. Either way it's a fucking stupid play call. Like I said, you don't try and get cute when you have a 3rd string QB in driving to try and tie the NFCCG. You can take that risk with Brady, Brees, or Manning. Not with Hanie.

[steeljake]

Yes, the Bears lost because of that play. Not because they were down to the third string QB because Todd Collins can't complete a pass. Not because the thrid string QB threw a pass directly into the chest of a 340 lb DL.

Were you goofs calling out Martz when the Bears scored 14 points in the blink of an eye (with the 3rd string QB) to get back into the game?

As usual, Martz is the scapegoat. Did you know he was Hitler's right hand man? And caused Katrina? It's true.

martz isnt coming back to st louis so you can stop sucking his cock at anytime.

[manchild24]

No one claimed the Bears lost because of that play.

At least I haven't.

It was still a stupid fucking playcall.

not at all, its his play calling at key points in the game. Example - the Rams yes the Rams ran Steven Jackson down the D's face the entire length of the field, they get near the goal line, pull Jackson and run a HB Pass from the 2.

[manchild24]

Another question I have.

Forte worked his dick off for every yard he gained yesterday and then the fucking pull him at the goalline for Chester Taylor. I HATE THAT!!!! give the guy his score.

[Hasselbeck]

Guys like Martz, Sean Peyton, even Belichick, these guys are gamblers, they do goofy shit like this. When it works, people gush (the onside kick in the SB last year), when it fails, they look like dopes (Peyton & Belichick going for it on 4th deep in their own territory in their playoff loses this year, Belichick's 4th down fail vs the Colts last year, and this Bennett run today).

When you have these aggressive mindsets, you take the good with the bad.

Lots of truth to this. And you can argue both sides.

Myself personally? I think there's a much better play call to dial up there than an end around with your teams 3rd or 4th best WR. Hell if you want to run an end around, use Devin Hester instead.

The Bears were moving the ball well by just checking it down to Forte and dialing up short passes over the middle.

But I agree - if that play works - everyone is gushing about how brilliant Martz is and what a ballsy play call it was. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[Maynard]

if they get the 1st down is martz a genius?

[NAHSTE]

Lots of truth to this. And you can argue both sides.

Myself personally? I think there's a much better play call to dial up there than an end around with your teams 3rd or 4th best WR. Hell if you want to run an end around, use Devin Hester instead.

The Bears were moving the ball well by just checking it down to Forte and dialing up short passes over the middle.

But I agree - if that play works - everyone is gushing about how brilliant Martz is and what a ballsy play call it was. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Les Miles > Mike Martz.

LSU Tight End speed > Vandy WR speed



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[mcstl25]

Martz should change his nick-name to QBkilla. Martz may be a good coordinator, but his QBs pay the price. We all know the abuse Cutler took this year (he's still a pussy), let's look at Martz' abuse of his former QBs.


2008 – 49ers: 55 sacks (#1 in NFL)
2007 – Lions: 54 sacks (#3 in NFL)
2006 – Lions: 63 sacks (#2 in NFL)
2005 – Rams: 46 sacks (T#6 in NFL)
2004 – Rams: 50 sacks (T#5 in NFL)
2003 – Rams: 43 sacks (T#4 in NFL)
2002 – Rams: 46 sacks (T#5 in NFL)

[packersfan4eva]

Another question I have.

Forte worked his dick off for every yard he gained yesterday and then the fucking pull him at the goalline for Chester Taylor. I HATE THAT!!!! give the guy his score.

This isn't JV high school football.

If the coaches feel that Taylor is the better goal line tailback, they'll put him in regardless of how hard Forte ran.

Nevertheless, they should have left him in.

[guchi45]

Mike Martz is the fucking man!