Randy Moss retires.

[Cornelius]

I refuse to imagine.
Immense talent (Barry, Jeff George ,Moss) usually leads to questionable desire.
Its those guys with 1 or 2 elite physical traits that happens to have hof drive(Rice, Brady ,Emmitt) that usually make the difference and end up as winners and record holders.

Its extremely rare to see freakish physical gifts meet world class desire....let alone have that avoid injury. Psychology and numbers make it rare.

One perfect example of it happening is going to the hof this year.

Fuck you and your "Barry had no desire". When you get done sucking Emmitt's cock, wipe your mouth. Emmitt's "drive" turned him into a broken down old man on a joke of a team struggling to create an untouchable record.

[NAHSTE]

Fuck you and your "Barry had no desire". When you get done sucking Emmitt's cock, wipe your mouth. Emmitt's "drive" turned him into a broken down old man on a joke of a team struggling to create an untouchable record.

I don't think he is saying it in an absolute sense. Obviously it takes a tremendous amount of hard work and desire to become a professional athlete to begin with. But it's all relative, and it's hard to say Barry had as much true passion for the game as some of his peers.

Either way, I think Barry shits all over Emmitt.

[Cornelius]

it's hard to say Barry had as much true passion for the game as some of his peers.

He carried one of the worst franchises in league history on his back for his whole career. LOL@not as much true passion.

Btw, it's not too hard to say.

[NAHSTE]

He carried one of the worst franchises in league history on his back for his whole career. LOL@not as much true passion.

Btw, it's not too hard to say.

He also had many interests outside of the game and walked away from it fairly quickly. Not that there's anything wrong with that at all.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

He also had many interests outside of the game and walked away from it fairly quickly. Not that there's anything wrong with that at all.

He's one of the all time quitters.
As a person theres nothing wrong with it. But in an athletic sense if someone doesnt see anything wrong with what he and say Ricky Williams did I dont know what to tell you.

We're talking about athletes , athletic skills , heart , and desire. You cant have that discussion in modern NFL terms without talking about the names I mentioned. When you go position by position at the top handful of guys ever...you can almost always name a better physical specimen who played during his time. The accolades , the rings , the accomplishments are usually laid on the men with the desire.
Just in our gen
Jeff George , Dickerson ,Barry Sanders , Moss , Ricky Williams ,Haynseworth
All lasted a long time , some had spurts or even years of dominance. Moss elevated his teams to elite status that noone outside of QB can compare.
Yet none will ever be considered the best despite outclassing everyone in there league at there positions in raw talent.None have any hardware and only one has an all time record of any significance.

Rice , Brady ,Payton, Emmitt , Faulk , John Randle
Inferior physically , vastly superior mentally. Theres 11 rings between them and a stack of all time records.Its not a coincidence or luck.

I dont waste time imagining what coulda been. Just appreciate what has been and try and put it in perspective. We're not talking injuries cutting a career short ..these men all made choices. The second group consistently made the ones to try to be the best.


My point is with Moss is even with his lack of desire , his lack of opportunities because of his position , he made a bigger impact than any non QB of any offensive player this gen maybe ever.That type of pure physical dominance is almost unheard of.

[NAHSTE]

My point is with Moss is even with his lack of desire , his lack of opportunities because of his position , he made a bigger impact than any non QB of any offensive player this gen maybe ever.That type of pure physical dominance is almost unheard of.

Yep, and ultimately isn't that worth celebrating? It's like when people bitch that Chris Webber should have been more successful ... He probably could have been better but he still was one of the best basketball players to ever live and made enough money to feed four generations of his family, what exactly is wrong with that?

Despite all that he wasn't, Moss was a legendary football player and we will all remember his playing days for a long time. To say he should have done more is nitpicking, IMO.

[Acesuper]

If I smoked with him, I would probably be on his level. And be like "Ooh, okay, that is why you were such a punk. Cause of this and this. Or because you believed in it." But because I haven't smoked with him and only know what I see about him..then yeah I think he is partially a punk.

But to tell you the honest truth...I'm just glad I'm not going to have to cover his ass deep in Madden with my weak 49ers secondary.

straight dropping the spinning catch on Goldson, Clements and Lewis/Mays. Swag no more you Deep Bombers.

So I'm happy.

[Irish]

My first video game purchase as a young 10 year old. Time to break out the Dreamcast one last time.

[NAHSTE]

"Toss to Moss" was the go-to video game cheese for a solid 5 year stretch when I was in high school. No other athlete besides Tecmo Bo Jackson, and maybe Boswer from Mario Baseball, can claim such a ubiquitous strategy built solely around them.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Yep, and ultimately isn't that worth celebrating? It's like when people bitch that Chris Webber should have been more successful ... He probably could have been better but he still was one of the best basketball players to ever live and made enough money to feed four generations of his family, what exactly is wrong with that?

Despite all that he wasn't, Moss was a legendary football player and we will all remember his playing days for a long time. To say he should have done more is nitpicking, IMO.

If you see my original point and response it was just that. Im not going to bother imagining. That amount of talent usually ends up with lowered desire and work ethic. Its that way in most professions athletic or not.

I personally have always been in awe of Moss career. It really really wouldnt have taken much to easily be the best ever. I only wonder why someone doesnt want that. Learn a few more routes , play half ass "slightly" less , dont take entire seasons off. In return you are considered THE best at what you do.

As it is hes the best weapon Ive ever seen.Im perfectly content with that. Merely wonder why the mental aspect was missing.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

"Toss to Moss" was the go-to video game cheese for a solid 5 year stretch when I was in high school. No other athlete besides Tecmo Bo Jackson, and maybe Boswer from Mario Baseball, can claim such a ubiquitous strategy built solely around them.

If Moss would have landed on the eagles last season all video hell would have broken loose.

[NAHSTE]

If you see my original point and response it was just that. Im not going to bother imagining. That amount of talent usually ends up with lowered desire and work ethic. Its that way in most professions athletic or not.

I personally have always been in awe of Moss career. It really really wouldnt have taken much to easily be the best ever. I only wonder why someone doesnt want that. Learn a few more routes , play half ass "slightly" less , dont take entire seasons off. In return you are considered THE best at what you do.

As it is hes the best weapon Ive ever seen.Im perfectly content with that. Merely wonder why the mental aspect was missing.

Yeah and I totally agree with your original post. It's just too hard to speculate "oh well if he tried more he'd shatter Rice's records" ... Rice's records are so retarded that chances are even at 100% effort Moss doesn't come close to touching those records. As it is he'll have to settle for only being one of the most amazingly talented players to ever play. Wonder how he'll sleep at night.

It's easy to try to compare athletes to the ideal athlete who has the most talent but also works the hardest, but that athlete is the ideal for a reason. It doesn't exist.

[nflman2033]

The most dangerous offensive weapon in the history of the NFL? I'm in an airplane right now so I can't get too in depth but Moss improved every offense he was on dramatically, I don't think any single player changed an offense's production single handedly like he did. Unless the old guys here know of someone I don't.

every offense except the Raiders and the Titans

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

The Randy Ratio.

[Woy]

every offense except the Raiders and the Titans

Against the Dolphins, he actually did improve the offense in a way because Fisher actually played the guy and although he didn't catch many passes, his presence took 8 and 9 guys out of the box to load up on CJ and Johnson responded with one of his best games of the year.