The 2011 Tim Tebow Tracking Thread

[Warner2BruceTD]

LOL, look at this....

Tebow's five games this year, in order from least attempts to most attempts, with the QB rating from each game:

8 attempts, 102.6 rating (KC)
10 attempts, 101.7 rating (SD)
21 attempts, 98.1 rating (OAK)
27 attempts, 91.7 rating (MIA)
39 attempts, 56.8 rating (DET)

The more he throws, THE WORSE HE PERFORMS. So how exactly are the embarrassing him by having him throw less?????????

[Warner2BruceTD]

He had to throw the most ... they were getting killed. And you can't put it all on him (clearly, he deserves some blame) but the D gets some here too.

What does the defense have to do with his QB performance????









Why am I doing this?

[dave]

LOL, look at this....

Tebow's five games this year, in order from least attempts to most attempts, with the QB rating from each game:

8 attempts, 102.6 rating (KC)
10 attempts, 101.7 rating (SD)
21 attempts, 98.1 rating (OAK)
27 attempts, 91.7 rating (MIA)
39 attempts, 56.8 rating (DET)

The more he throws, THE WORSE HE PERFORMS. So how exactly are the embarrassing him by having him throw less?????????

Four of five games over 90.0 QB rating. Only game below it was a blowout.
Not sure what your point is.
If my team's QB is over 90 QB rating 4/5 games, I'm a happy dude.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Four of five games over 90.0 QB rating. Only game below it was a blowout.
Not sure what your point is.
If my team's QB is over 90 QB rating 4/5 games, I'm a happy dude.

The less he throws, the better he performs. Yet you say they are "embarrassing" him by throwing less.

Are you playing stupid?

[dave]

The less he throws, the better he performs. Yet you say they are "embarrassing" him by throwing less.

Are you playing stupid?

You're embarassing yourself with your comments. 4/5 games, he's over 90 QB rating. Be honest W2BTD, you're wrong.

[Warner2BruceTD]

You're embarassing yourself with your comments. 4/5 games, he's over 90 QB rating. Be honest W2BTD, you're wrong.

Are you legit nuts?

The less he throws, the better he performs.

So explain to me again how they are embarrassing him by asking him to throw less?????

[Warner2BruceTD]

I just shake my head.

People consumed with statistics just don't get it and clearly never will.

It's like I said pages ago in this thread, it's not about statistics with Tebow. He will never have good looking statistics. He is the most unique player the league has seen in decades. He plays the QB position in such a way that evaluating him on stats makes no sense. Half the plays Denver runs with Tebow are designed QB runs. The passing plays are single read with one check down. He will never go 25-31 with 350 yards. The offense is not designed that way, and frankly, he cant do that anyway.

Bottom line is he produces TD's at a better than average rate, doesn't turn the ball over, and the team is 3-1. Kyle f'n Orton can throw for 300 meanigless yards all game long, but if he fails to get the team in the end zone, and turns the ball over, the team loses.

TD's + no TO's = wins. Doesn't matter how you achieve that.

...and anyone who fails to buy into the idea that a player can have a winning intangible, or that a player can make people around him better & play harder, has never played competitive sports.

Who cares?

Tebow: 7 passing TD's, 2 rushing TD's, 1 two-pt conversion. 1 INT, 0 lost fumbles. 56 points produced, ONE turnover.

Orton: 8 passing TD's, 0 rushing TD's, 0 two-pt conversions. 7 INT's, 0 lost fumbles. 48 points produced, SEVEN turnovers.

Tebow: 3-1

Orton: 1-4

Are you really going to argue in favor of something like more passing yards?

And don't you think the reason Denver is giving up less points might have to do with the fact that they aren't turning the ball over anymore?

I don't think you get it.

This is not meant to be condescending, but, have you watched the Broncos this year?

They completely revamped the offense to suit Tebow's skill set. He is not running the Orton offense. They are not simply handing the ball off more than they were before. You are simplifying the situation. They are essentially running a college style offense, low risk, grind it out, safe passing game. Orton could not run this offense. Just like Tebow could not run the Orton offense. Saying Denver would have had the same success under Orton by simply running more is false. The schematic change had a lot to do with it. And Orton can not run this scheme.

To expand on the scheme, and how it has improved Denver's running game, consider this.

Denver ran for 244 yards at a 4.4 average. They ran out of the shotgun 19 times, which is obscene in an NFL offense. They used four different positions (HB, QB, FB, FL) and six different players in those 19 runs, keeping the defense off balance. The long TD pass to Decker was out of the shotgun as well, a play that was set up by pounding the ball over and over out of that formation. The Tebow TD run was also out of the shotgun.

This scheme is why Denver is able to run the ball better under Tebow as opposed to Orton. They are essentially letting Tebow run the offense he ran in college.

Now, when you combine a grind it out running game that keeps the clock moving, and eliminate turnovers (Tebow has ONE INT in over 100 pass attempts, which is a league leading INT%, so it's not just "he doesn't throw the ball so doesn't throw INT's"), why is anybody surprised that the defense has played so much better? I'll tell you why.

It's a fucking illusion. It's the same defense. The same players. But when you don't turn it over, play the field position game, burn the clock, and keep the D off the field, well, you get it. Tebow does help the defense, where as Orton was killing the defense.

Will the league catch up? Probably. They always do. But I think Orton vs. Tebow has been put to bed for good. It's not even close, really.

dave, Tebow is succeeding because they aren't trying to use him like a traditional QB. That would likely fail miserably, and that would be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

The Broncos are using Tebow exactly how he should be used.

[DoubleDeuce]

If Tebow can throw the ball every play like he threw that pass to Decker, he'll be amazing.

Too bad he can't.

[Derrville]

Dave you make no sense.

[Cornelius]

Ray Rice is the best qb in the league. He's 1 for 1 for 1yd and a TD. His qb rating is 118.8.

[ZoneBlitz]

This thread was good before dave came in.

[NAHSTE]

Ray Rice is the best qb in the league. He's 1 for 1 for 1yd and a TD. His qb rating is 118.8.

It's a shame his team is hellbent on embarrassing him by only letting him throw one attempt.

[ZoneBlitz]

Im really interested in seeing how long Denver can continue winning using Tebow this way. I was a huge fan of the wildcat when it first came out, and this is like a variation of it.

This doesnt seem like it should work for long though, eventually teams should be able to stack 8-9 players in the box & force Tebow to throw.

[Warner2BruceTD]

:trollwoy:

Im really interested in seeing how long Denver can continue winning using Tebow this way. I was a huge fan of the wildcat when it first came out, and this is like a variation of it.

This doesnt seem like it should work for long though, eventually teams should be able to stack 8-9 players in the box & force Tebow to throw.

Me too.

For me, Denver is the most intriguing team right now in what otherwise is a pretty dry NFL.

EDIT: I have no idea why Ron Washington is in my post, but i'm leaving him there.

[Senser81]

buckle in boys, this thread is on the verge of being legendary