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    The Serious House
    • Nov 2008
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    Asomugha - Philly's Charles Woodson?

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    Asomugha – Philly’s Charles Woodson?
    August 6th, 2011 | Author: Sam Monson
    Nnamdi Asomugha is one heck of a cornerback. There’s no denying this, and that’s why the prospect of him teaming up with Darrelle Revis for the New York Jets was so mouth watering. As it turned out though, that didn’t materialize and instead the Eagles ended up with free agency’s biggest prize, along with pretty much every other free agency prize it seems.
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    Asomugha is thrown at significantly less than any other corner in football. Last season he was targeted just 29 times in 441 snaps in coverage. That’s a target in just 6.6% of snaps in coverage, which is by far the best mark for any corner.

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    He’s also stingy with the receptions he gives up, allowing just 13 receptions last season. Think about that for a second – receivers will get 13 receptions in a game, and Asomugha only gave that up over fourteen weeks. His percentage of receptions per coverage snap is also far better than any other cornerback last season, and those numbers have been at a crazy level for a few years now.
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    As great as Asomugha is though, his greatness has always come with something of an asterisk, a footnote if you will, illustrating how his role differs to that of Revis, the game’s other great corner.
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    Revis, as we know, is integral to what the Jets do, because he allows them to take away the opposition’s best receiver, and to concentrate on the other weapons on offense and roll coverages toward them. Revis does that because he tracks receivers from one side of the field to the other, and even to the slot. Asomugha doesn’t. In fact, Asomugha not only doesn’t track receivers, but he lines up on the right hand side of the defense, the ‘easier’ cornerback position. It’s easier because most passers in the league are right handers, and so naturally throw more to their right, to the left cornerback’s coverage. The only right handed quarterback to pass equally to the left as well as the right is Peyton Manning, everybody else attacks the left cornerback more often.
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    In 2010, Darrelle Revis lined up for 204 snaps at right cornerback, 442 snaps at left cornerback, 116 snaps in the slot, and 77 in the middle of the formation as some variety of safety. Asomugha, by contrast, was on the right for 643 snaps, the left for just 43, slot 73 and 27 at safety. 81.8% of Asomugha’s snaps were at RCB, compared to just 23.4% from Revis, who spent no more than 52.7% of his snaps in any one position last season.
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    This season was actually the most Asomugha had played in positions other than right cornerback – in ’08 and ’09 he was even more exclusive to that position. Obviously that doesn’t define him as a player, he still does a great job in coverage regardless of role. The point I’m making though is that with weaker players on the other side, and playing the side traditionally targeted less by a passer, his numbers could appear more skewed than his ability dictates. Are they throwing away from him because he’s really that good, or are they throwing away from him because why the hell would they bother throwing at him?
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    The difference between Revis and Asomugha so far is that Revis forces teams to throw at him, or to ignore their best receiver, Asomugha just forces them to stick to the right side of the field.
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    That’s why it was something of a surprise when Asomugha reportedly talked to the Eagles defensive coordinator Juan Castillo about the role Charles Woodson plays for the Green Bay Packers. As we know, Woodson moves around perhaps more than any other corner, enabling him to be a playmaker and get his hands dirty. Mr Sheil Kapadia did a nice piece talking about the differences in how the two players lined up, but we’ll look at it as well.
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    While Asomugha plays over 80% at RCB, Woodson played just 48 snaps there last season. He played 327 at LCB, just under a third of his snaps, and 540 snaps in the slot, or just over 53% of his total snaps. He spent another 97 snaps at safety, often in the box. Woodson was second in the league in defensive stops – a tackle that constitutes an offensive failure. Only Antoine Winfield topped the 40 stops Woodson racked up.
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    Woodson managed to tally 12 missed tackles over the season, but because he attempted so many, his ratio of misses to attempts isn’t horrible, and he was making his attempts against bigger bodies inside and through traffic far more often than a cornerback usually has to. Asomugha, by contrast, only missed five tackles, but his ratio of misses to attempts was far poorer, and over the past three seasons the former college safety was the 4th poorest tackler among NFL CB’s, missing a tackle every 5.45 attempts.
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    So what conclusions am I working my way towards? Well, for all the eye popping coverage numbers that Asomugha has put up over the past few years, nothing in his game suggests that he has the versatility to do what Charles Woodson does for the Packers, and he has never even had to prove that he can do what Revis does for the Jets, which is why it is so interesting that he himself was the one that brought up the idea to the Eagles.
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    Maybe he was being held back by the Raiders’ defensive schemes, and maybe we’re about to see the full scope of Nnamdi Asomugha’s talents. With the defense the Eagles are putting together, it could be fun to watch next season.
    What I've been trying to tell you niggas.

    Revis > Asomugha
  • ralaw
    Posts too much
    • Feb 2009
    • 6663

    #2
    Good article.....Warren Sapp was talking about this a few weeks back. I believe it was during a discussion about who was better...to which he said Revis for these very same reasons.

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    • Shayn•Da•Pain
      Laughs Unlimited
      • Nov 2008
      • 5204

      #3
      Revis>Nnamdi=Woodson. I've always thought Woodson was a top notch corner. I've never argued it on VSN because I'm sure it's not a very popular opinion to say Woodson is on that level. So I'm glad to see this.
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      • BigBucs
        Unpretentious
        • May 2009
        • 12758

        #4
        Lets not forget the front 7 and their blitz packages. The Eagles and Jets front 7 are better than the Raiders. This will help any DB.




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        • Aso
          The Serious House
          • Nov 2008
          • 11137

          #5
          Originally posted by BigBucs
          Lets not forget the front 7 and their blitz packages. The Eagles and Jets front 7 are better than the Raiders. This will help any DB.
          The Raiders consistently got good pressure on the QB last year so that's a pretty lame excuse. The Jets have to blitz more because they won't be able to get pressure any other way and that meaning Revis is on an island. Also this upcoming season the Eagles are expected to run more of a cover 2 type of defense so they definitely won't be blitzing as much as in past seasons, hence the signing of Cullen Jenkins and Jason Babin. Here's a fun fact: Raiders were 2nd in the league in sacks.

          I'm guessing Tailback U thanked your post because he is a homer and can't think of any way around the argument presented in the article to say Asomugha is better. The only argument you can really make is that the Raiders lack of creativity is to blame for not showcasing what he can really do. Even with that you can't straight up say Asomugha is better than Revis based simply off what might be.

          This upcoming season we'll really get to see what Asomugha can do and I can't wait.

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          • Tailback U
            No substitute 4 strength.
            • Nov 2008
            • 10282

            #6
            I never said Asomugha is better than Revis. But I do believe that defensive scheme matters, anyone that doesn't is an idiot.

            I think Asomugha in his prime was every bit as good as Revis is now. Asomugha is 30 yeards old, Revis is 26. Asomugha didn't receive the attention he deserved when he was at his best because Oakland was downright awful and there is an east coast bias. In his best season as a pro, he barely made the pro bowl if I remember correctly.

            Even then, I don't think Revis is light years ahead of Asomugha like you seem to suggest. I'd say Revis is the best cover corner in the league, Asomugha is the second best, and the gap isn't as wide as some seem to think, IMO.

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            • Aso
              The Serious House
              • Nov 2008
              • 11137

              #7
              Originally posted by Tailback U
              I never said Asomugha is better than Revis. But I do believe that defensive scheme matters, anyone that doesn't is an idiot.

              I think Asomugha in his prime was every bit as good as Revis is now. Asomugha is 30 yeards old, Revis is 26. Asomugha didn't receive the attention he deserved when he was at his best because Oakland was downright awful and there is an east coast bias.

              Even then, I don't think Revis is light years ahead of Asomugha like you seem to suggest. I'd say Revis is the best cover corner in the league, Asomugha is the second best, and the gap isn't as wide as some seem to think, IMO.
              Damn.

              I know there is a band of Asomugha homers somewhere on here. This thread is meant for them.

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              • Aso
                The Serious House
                • Nov 2008
                • 11137

                #8
                Also that article sort of debunks the hate on Stanford Routt and the silly, nonsensical argument of "well Routt is the Raiders number 2 corner, when he's their number 1 he'll get picked on much more and will be exposed." Who the hell do you think teams threw at the most last season? It's not Asomugha...

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                • BigBucs
                  Unpretentious
                  • May 2009
                  • 12758

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Aso21Raiders
                  The Raiders consistently got good pressure on the QB last year so that's a pretty lame excuse. The Jets have to blitz more because they won't be able to get pressure any other way and that meaning Revis is on an island. Also this upcoming season the Eagles are expected to run more of a cover 2 type of defense so they definitely won't be blitzing as much as in past seasons, hence the signing of Cullen Jenkins and Jason Babin. Here's a fun fact: Raiders were 2nd in the league in sacks.

                  I'm guessing Tailback U thanked your post because he is a homer and can't think of any way around the argument presented in the article to say Asomugha is better. The only argument you can really make is that the Raiders lack of creativity is to blame for not showcasing what he can really do. Even with that you can't straight up say Asomugha is better than Revis based simply off what might be.

                  This upcoming season we'll really get to see what Asomugha can do and I can't wait.
                  We talking one season or the course of their careers? Oak has been some shit for a while and Aso was pretty much the only bright spot for quite sometime. I have no idea what the Eagles defensive scheme is going to be but I do know that they are consistently atop the league in pressures and QB sacks.




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                  • Aso
                    The Serious House
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 11137

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BigBucs
                    We talking one season or the course of their careers? Oak has been some shit for a while and Aso was pretty much the only bright spot for quite sometime. I have no idea what the Eagles defensive scheme is going to be but I do know that they are consistently atop the league in pressures and QB sacks.
                    Not actually talking about Asomugha's prime. I know in his prime he was great but some people still think he's the best at his position and don't give Revis the respect he deserves. When I post I'm referring to Asomugha vs. Revis from '09 'til now.

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                    • BigBucs
                      Unpretentious
                      • May 2009
                      • 12758

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Aso21Raiders
                      Not actually talking about Asomugha's prime. I know in his prime he was great but some people still think he's the best at his position and don't give Revis the respect he deserves. When I post I'm referring to Asomugha vs. Revis from '09 'til now.
                      I still dont know how anyone claim claim one is that much better than the other. You can talk schemes, personnel, dline pressure etc... but what it all comes down to is Aso not even being tested. I dont care what side of the field he plays on and what a right handed QBs tendencys are, Aso doesnt get tested. When you give up 13 catches all season then there isnt anyone in the league head and shoulders above you, period.




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                      • Tailback U
                        No substitute 4 strength.
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 10282

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BigBucs
                        I still dont know how anyone claim claim one is that much better than the other. You can talk schemes, personnel, dline pressure etc... but what it all comes down to is Aso not even being tested. I dont care what side of the field he plays on and what a right handed QBs tendencys are, Aso doesnt get tested. When you give up 13 catches all season then there isnt anyone in the league head and shoulders above you, period.
                        Exactly. The fact of the matter is that in the last 5 years I have probably seen Asomugha get beat deep once or maybe twice (once against Vincent Jackson, the other I can't remember who beat him). He just doesn't get thrown at a lot and he doesn't get beat so how can you say he is or isn't better than Revis?

                        They are also different types of cover corners. Revis is more aggressive, a bigger risk taker, and reroutes WRs better. Asomugha is strictly a cover corner that shadows WRs and uses his long arms to break up passes.

                        I think the majority of people do think Revis is the best corner in the league. There might be a handful of fans that think Aso is better, but who cares, there are also a handful of people that think Emmitt was better than Barry....

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                        • Mogriffjr
                          aka Reece
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 2759

                          #13
                          The Jets defensive pressure was pretty lackluster...it's why Rex wanted and needed 2-3 good to very good cover corners...

                          They tend to blitz and I mean on some engage 8 type shit...but more times then not, the blitz seemed to take forever...most Jet fans wanted Rex to dial down the blitz and he toned it down...the LB's for us didn't get much pass rush...and that's mostly due to Pace coming back from a foot injury, Thomas not being a great pass rusher himself, Taylor being a shell of himself, and the DE's being more of guys who try to collapse the pocket

                          Rex really wanted Aso/Revis with Wilson on the slot...so he could focus most the coverage towards the guys NOT being covered...it's like eliminating options when your on the field...plus Revis and the secondary were covering for like 4-5 seconds...led to some 3rd and long conversions that shouldn't have been made.
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                          • Aso
                            The Serious House
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 11137

                            #14
                            Revis had much more of an impact on the Jets defense than Asomugha had on the Raiders and thats not even debatable.

                            As for Asomugha not being tested, whenever I see a team go after him I do see him give up catches. I remember a game in '09 the Chiefs might've thrown at Asomugha 6 times and he allowed 5 catches. The Chargers have gone after him from time to time. If Asomugha was thrust into the same role Revis was based on what I've seen I can't say he'd do as well. From the article as well, he's not as good a tackler right now as he used to be so you'd have to question whether he can play that Charles Woodson role either.

                            Edit: If you want more stats, in '09 Asomugha was thrown at 28 times and allowed 21 catches.

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                            • Diivox
                              It's the other way.
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 1773

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Aso21Raiders
                              Not actually talking about Asomugha's prime. I know in his prime he was great but some people still think he's the best at his position and don't give Revis the respect he deserves. When I post I'm referring to Asomugha vs. Revis from '09 'til now.
                              I dont know man, Revis is consistently acknowledged to be the best corner alive, and I'd even go so far as to say that he is is the best cover corner since Deion Sanders. What makes this even crazier is how quickly he became that guy. I mean if there is an article, or a statistical argument that has been made anywhere that discusses Revis without saying he's the best there is, I must have missed it

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