Spags reaches new low, quits during game

[bucky]

With roughly 1:30 left in the game, down two scores with no timeouts, Spags elected to punt on 4th down, essentially giving up his teams last play and ending the game.

A lot of coaches don't even look at the 2 point conversion chart until the 4th QTR. There was an entire QTR to be played, I don't think taking the PAT instead of the 2PT was a bad decision.

I'll go read the rest of your post now.

[Warner2BruceTD]

A lot of coaches don't even look at the 2 point conversion chart until the 4th QTR. There was an entire QTR to be played, I don't think taking the PAT instead of the 2PT was a bad decision.

I'll go read the rest of your post now.

I don't care what a lot of coaches do. If that's the case, all of them would be wrong.

They scored the TD at the tail end of the 3rd. You want to put yourslef in a postion where a FG is still in play. There is no difference between 12 or 13, either way you need two TD's. You have to try to make it 11. Its a no brainer. There is no logical reason not to go for two.

And if you need a chart for that, you probably shouldn't be a coach.

[NAHSTE]

Last week he punted while down 11 with like 11 minutes to go. NFL coaches in general are too cowardly but Spags is the worst.

PUNT TO WIN!

[bucky]

I don't care what a lot of coaches do. If that's the case, all of them would be wrong.

They scored the TD at the tail end of the 3rd. You want to put yourslef in a postion where a FG is still in play. There is no difference between 12 or 13, either way you need two TD's. You have to try to make it 11. Its a no brainer. There is no logical reason not to go for two.

And if you need a chart for that, you probably shouldn't be a coach.

There is an ENTIRE QTR left. No need to panic yet. I would have been OK with either the PAT or the 2PT at that point. It's NOT a no brainer in the 3rd. And most coaches have a chart for when to go for 2. Stop over-reacting. The punt at the end, I would agree with you. Why punt there. Go for it on 4th and long and either start your miriacle or end the game. A punt basically ends it. But the 2PT rant, your over-reacting.

[bucky]

Last week he punted while down 11 with like 11 minutes to go. NFL coaches in general are too cowardly but Spags is the worst.

PUNT TO WIN!

Punting with 11 minutes to go? Depending on the field position, that could be a wise thing. Another over reaction. 11 minutes is still a lot of time.

[NAHSTE]

Punting with 11 minutes to go? Depending on the field position, that could be a wise thing. Another over reaction. 11 minutes is still a lot of time.

I actually think there were 8 minutes left last week. Either way, punting when down two scores late in the 4th quarter is essentially quitting.

[bucky]

I actually think there were 8 minutes left last week. Either way, punting when down two scores late in the 4th quarter is essentially quitting.

8 mins, I'm a little on the fence. There's still quite a bit of time left, but it's getting close. I wouldn't criticize a coach for punting depending on how many time outs they have, and what the field position is. 8 Mins, you have to figure you will have probably two more possessions if your defense does it's job.

[Warner2BruceTD]

There is an ENTIRE QTR left. No need to panic yet. I would have been OK with either the PAT or the 2PT at that point. It's NOT a no brainer in the 3rd. And most coaches have a chart for when to go for 2. Stop over-reacting. The punt at the end, I would agree with you. Why punt there. Go for it on 4th and long and either start your miriacle or end the game. A punt basically ends it. But the 2PT rant, your over-reacting.

What is the differance between, say, one minute to go in the 3rd, or 13 minutes to go in the 4th? Its the same situation, who cares what quarter it is? Coaching that way defies logic, and is indefensable.

And it's not a panic move to attempt to go from 12 to 11. Its a logic move. There is absolutely nothing to lose at that point by failing. 12 and 13 are the same. 11 is a huge difference.

[DJ Rhude]

I loved Spags as our D-Coordinator, but he definitely looks like he bit off more than he could chew as the Rams coach......who knows, he might learn from his first go round and come back a better coach

I was surprised when he punted in that situation though......very surprised.....

We were ripe for the taking that game, if the Rams didn't shoot themselves in the foot.....I wasn't happy with that game at all....Bradford shredded us at times

And if he doesn't want Bradford to get hit, the hell is he playing football for?

[Leftwich]

Warner I understand your pain. I would not go as far as to say Jacksonville is bless with Jack Del Rio but at least he has the balls to go for it on 4th down a lot. Punt would never have been in his vocabulary during that situation. I honestly never liked Spags at all and thought he was a bad fit for St. Louis.

But tell me this, would you rather have St. Louis bomb their season to get rid of him or just ride out the storm?

[Warner2BruceTD]

Warner I understand your pain. I would not go as far as to say Jacksonville is bless with Jack Del Rio but at least he has the balls to go for it on 4th down a lot. Punt would never have been in his vocabulary during that situation. I honestly never liked Spags at all and thought he was a bad fit for St. Louis.

But tell me this, would you rather have St. Louis bomb their season to get rid of him or just ride out the storm?

I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel with this guy. Unfortunately, nearly making the playoffs has bought him time.

[bucky]

What is the differance between, say, one minute to go in the 3rd, or 13 minutes to go in the 4th? Its the same situation, who cares what quarter it is? Coaching that way defies logic, and is indefensable.

And it's not a panic move to attempt to go from 12 to 11. Its a logic move. There is absolutely nothing to lose at that point by failing. 12 and 13 are the same. 11 is a huge difference.

There was an ENTIRE QTR to go. You are over-reacting on the 2pt conversion vs PAT rant.

The punt at the 2 min mark is reason to rant.

I feel your pain, we Packer fans lived through the 70's and 80's. I'm not defending the guy, I haven't followed the Rams or their coach. Not saying your wrong about needing to get rid or him, just saying you are over reacting to the 2pt vs pat rant when there was an entire QTR to be played.

[DJ Rhude]

Hey Warner he's better than Ray Handley was......let that notion tide you over for one more year

You have not truly suffered until you've had Ray Handley as your coach

[Rayman]

Hey Warner he's better than Ray Handley was......let that notion tide you over for one more year

You have not truly suffered until you've had Ray Handley as your coach

[bucky]

Hey Warner he's better than Ray Handley was......let that notion tide you over for one more year

You have not truly suffered until you've had Ray Handley as your coach

We had Dan Devine. Mr. Never throw the ball under any circumstances whatsoever. Nobody could have been worse than Dan Devine.