VSN's Top 10 NFL Quarterbacks.

[Archer]

Just because the Saints didn't make the playoffs doesn't mean it was Brees's fault.

so just because manning has a bad record in the playoffs its not his fault right?

[Archer]

in terms of winning. Many players would switch places with them in a heartbeat.

Sure they would but are they the best ever? To call Terry Bradshaw the best qb ever is fucking retarded. But by half the posts i read on this site , he must be. Since its all about their playoff wins and rings/championships .... right?

[FirstTimer]

Both Brees and McNabb have performed well in the playoffs. In fact McNabb played well enough to of beat the Cardinals. They just didn't It's a team sport. Just because the QB doesn't win doesn't mean it was their fault. Just like it wasn't because of Manning that the Colts won a SB..

You're talking out both sides of your mouth. Can you really blame all of the Colts/Mannings playoff failures on him or can you look at the fact that maybe the Pats were just a better team some of those years and Manning has had to deal with better defenses in the AFC most years than a lot of other QB's.... (Pit, SD,NE, Balt). You're placing Manning in a vacuum stat wise and excusing other players. Because as it stands Manning isn't horrible in the playoffs 22tds-17ints 85 QB rating 7-8 record and 1 SB win.

Manning hasn't been great in the playoffs but he also hasn't been as bad as the perception is. And honestly a lot of those years the Colts were just beat by better teams.

[ralaw]

Lol i beleive u guys . But everytime somebody disagrees with him i see a former MM`er say "oh thats a bad idea" "fresh blood" . Its annoying.

Sorry for my outburst i guess .

We're just trying to save you the anguish and from the Carpal Tunnel that will come from typing ferociously to explain your argument.

[Archer]

We're just trying to save you the anguish and from the Carpal Tunnel that will come from typing ferociously to explain your argument.

Wasnt my argument but thanks. I was just sick of seeing lots of post about not arguing with this guy . I sort of understand now , at first i thought u guys were just on his nuts lol

[FirstTimer]

Wasnt my argument but thanks. I was just sick of seeing lots of post about not arguing with this guy . I sort of understand now , at first i thought u guys were just on his nuts lol

Argue with him on whatever you want. The Warner thing is just kind of pointless though.

[celtsxpatsxsox]

Sure they would but are they the best ever? To call Terry Bradshaw the best qb ever is fucking retarded. But by half the posts i read on this site , he must be. Since its all about their playoff wins and rings/championships .... right?

They are the most successful Quarterbacks in the NFL. There is a big difference between success and saying whos the best which many people seem to forget. Btw you bringing up Peyton's MVP's is no better then say someone bringing up superbowl championships. If that was the case then Barry Sanders and Shaun Alexander are identical because they both have 1 MVP. But everyone knows you cant judge people by awards.

[Point Blank]

Garcia in the top 10, Magner?

[Archer]

They are the most successful Quarterbacks in the NFL. There is a big difference between success and saying whos the best which many people seem to forget. Btw you bringing up Peyton's MVP's is no better then say someone bringing up superbowl championships. If that was the case then Barry Sanders and Shaun Alexander are identical because they both have 1 MVP. But everyone knows you cant judge people by awards.

Somewhat your right , but its an acheivement non the less. Means he was thought as by the majority of the people who vote as the best player in the league. And yes if this thread was whos the most succesful id understand but it isint . Poor qbs can be carried to superbowls and suddenly there regarded as awesome? Poor qbs cant be carried as league mvps tho . Thats the only reason MVP has some sort of say in this conversation for me but whatever theres always gonna be haters , u see them at every site you go on.

[FirstTimer]

What I'm saying is for as good as he is during the regular season, it disappoints me that he's average at best in the playoffs. I still can't believe he was awarded the Superbowl MVP over Sanders, Hayden, Brackett and Rhodes.

EDIT this. Thought Rhodes was the one catching dump downs. I'm mistaken....
It was Addai catching the check downs. Sorry for the misinfo.

[FirstTimer]

They are the most successful Quarterbacks in the NFL. There is a big difference between success and saying whos the best which many people seem to forget. Btw you bringing up Peyton's MVP's is no better then say someone bringing up superbowl championships. If that was the case then Barry Sanders and Shaun Alexander are identical because they both have 1 MVP. But everyone knows you cant judge people by awards.

You can bring up MVP's as it can be part of the discussion on a player, but not the whole story alone. In this case I don't think they were saying it was the end all be all for Manning, just one factor.

[Archer]

You can bring up MVP's as it can be part of the discussion on a player, but not the whole story alone. In this case I don't think they were saying it was the end all be all for Manning, just one factor.

Exactly.

[Archer]

Im as much of a Kurt Warner fan as the next guy but i just find it hard to beleive Manning and Brady arnt 1 and 2 in whatever order you want it.

[FirstTimer]

Rhodes had over 100 yards rushing with a TD. You're thinking of Addai.

Yeah I edited.

Even still, The Bears run defense had been bad all playoffs and they were going to let anyone on the Colts beat them running. They just didn't want to let Manning beat them passing on the outside so you saw a lot of bid drops by the LB's into zones leaving a lot of space underneath for manning to check down and a lot of open running lanes. Rhodes had a nice game rushing but I wasn't overly impressed. I was more impressed with Mannigns dissection of the Cover 2 against the Bears honestly because even Brees of New Orleans wasn't able to do that to the Bears.

[celtsxpatsxsox]

You can bring up MVP's as it can be part of the discussion on a player, but not the whole story alone. In this case I don't think they were saying it was the end all be all for Manning, just one factor.

I am just saying people get pissed off when someone brings up superbowls. Why cant I get pissed when someone brings up MVP's. Look at Steve Mcnair. He only had around three good seasons from 01-03 and still gets praised because of his co MVP award.