VSN's Top 10 NFL Quarterbacks.

[Goober]

Warner and Brees had almost the same exact season stat-wise, but Brees doesn't have Fitz and Boldin. Granted Brees has Colston and Lance Moore, but they ain't no Fitz and Boldin.

Also, it's an opinion, and I seriously doubt it's that absurd to think Brees is better than Warner.

You've released a Hell raising storm...run, run for your life.

Be prepared for post after post insulting Drew Bree's leadership skills, ability to win playoff games, and performance in big games.

[The Messenger]

I'm not gonna argue over what quarterback is > than what quarterback unless I'm talking about my quarterback. And since my quarterback didn't have a great last game and everyone thinks my quarterback sucks ass right now, i'll leave my quarterback out of this.

There's a reason he is not to be named.

Tip: If there wasn't a December, my quarterback would be everyone's number 3 on their list.

EDIT: I'm also a real big Warner fan. More than the average fan. In my fantasy league last season I picked Kurt Warner as my first QB and everyone said I was crazy, and I said Warner would finish better than 98% of the QBs that were taken before him. Even then, I'd take Brees as a better quarterback to duplicate his success than Warner, who has had 5 good years out of 11. Yes I know he was a back-up his first year, only started his second year because Trent Green went out with an injury. I also know Warner broke his pinky against the Chiefs (when the Rams were like 7-0 or 8-0 I believe, I used to watch every Rams game) which basically ended his career as a Ram, then he played groomer to Eli Manning, then he played groomer to Kurt Warner, but that still doesn't change my opinion.

I also know that I failed doing what I said I was gonna do in my original post.

[Nukleopatra]

How exactly do we judge Drew Brees? We can't judge him by his win/loss record, because he's barely over .500.. We can't judge him by playoff victories, because the guy has 1 playoff victory in 7 seasons, worse than some of the worst quarterbacks in NFL history. We can't judge him as a ''clutch'' performer, because he isn't one.

Am I supposed to throw the guy on my top 5, simply because he's Drew Brees?

I believe having him on my top 10 is more than fair. It's not about hatred, it's not about anything other than the fact that Drew Brees isn't capable of helping a team take the next step, the way certain guys are. So, how should I judge the guy? Oh, he can throw for 350 yards per game, but when the 4th quarter gets here, he'll pull a Jake Plummer.

Jake Plummer by the way, has more playoff victories than Drew Brees.

I'm tired of having this discussion over and over again. ''it's pointless.''

[The Messenger]

How exactly do we judge Drew Brees? We can't judge him by his win/loss record, because he's barely over .500.. We can't judge him by playoff victories, because the guy has 1 playoff victory in 7 seasons, worse than some of the worst quarterbacks in NFL history. We can't judge him as a ''clutch'' performer, because he isn't one.

Am I supposed to throw the guy on my top 5, simply because he's Drew Brees?

I believe having him on my top 10 is more than fair. It's not about hatred, it's not about anything other than the fact that Drew Brees isn't capable of helping a team take the next step, the way certain guys are. So, how should I judge the guy? Oh, he can throw for 350 yards per game, but when the 4th quarter gets here, he'll pull a Jake Plummer.

Jake Plummer by the way, has more playoff victories than Drew Brees.

I'm tired of having this discussion over and over again. ''it's pointless.''

You tired out pretty quick for the guy who's supposed to keep going on and on about Kurt Warner.

I believe having him on my top 10 is more than fair. It's not about hatred, it's not about anything other than the fact that Drew Brees isn't capable of helping a team take the next step, the way certain guys are.

Tell me when I even involved you in this debate? Someone questioned why I had Brees over Warner on my list and I responded with why. I've never said "oh my god get off Warner's nuts Nukleo". I could care less whether you think Warner is better than Brees or if you think Drew Brees is a disgrace to the quarterback position and Aaron Brooks should come in and take his job back. That's your opinion and I'll let you live with it.

As I previously said, I'm a huge Warner fan. I was a Warner fan when he first took over for Trent Green because I used to be really really big into the Rams. I've got a lot of respect for Warner and had faith in him when he was still grooming his "successors". Now he's back on top as one of the elite QBs again and I'm happy for him. He's a very good quarterback and he's arguably the smartest quarterback in the NFL.

But to me, saying who is the better quarterback between Brees and Warner going into the 09-10 season is the same thing as saying who is better between Brady and Peyton. They're too close to call for me. I'll also point out that if this was posted last year, Brett Favre would be in the same position you got Warner in, and what happened to him this year? I'm looking towards next season, you're not. I believe that's what this thread is all about.

I knew I took a long time to reply, but I had to get some Taco Bell.

[Nukleopatra]

You tired out pretty quick for the guy who's supposed to keep going on and on about Kurt Warner.

Tell me when I even involved you in this debate?

Hey, fuck wad, I wasn't even talking to you.

Seriously, is there any person at this site that isn't a complete moron?

Oh, by the way, I'm talking to you now.

[Saluki]

1. Peyton Manning - League MVP this season, hard to argue with that.
2. Kurt Warner - Carried his team to the Superbowl when they weren't supposed to get past the wildcard
3. Ben Rothlisberger - Won his 2nd superbowl, picked up his game in the postseason
4. Drew Brees - Had one of the most productive years in the history of the league.
5. Tom Brady - His history is the only reason he's this high, If he recovers well he'll be back as one of the leagues best, but sometime knee injuries can change a player.
6. Phil Rivers - Really came out this season and put up monster numbers to make up for lack of a run game, 34TDs and 105 QB rating says it all.
7. Donovan McNabb - Took his team back to the NFC Championship after being benched midseason, showed us he still has it.
8.Tony Romo - Despite being hurt still posted 3500 yards and 26 TDs, not making the playoffs with so many weapons hurts his stock though.
9. Jay Cutler - One of the few bright spots on what was a dismal Broncos team this season, bounced back and threw for 4500 yards.
10. Aaron Rodgers - Bumps Eli Manning off my list, (which as a bears fan it's tough to put him up here) Threw for over 4000 yards, 28TDs and posted a 93.8 QB rating in his 1st year as a starter.

[The Messenger]

I'd also like to know why you didn't call me out for having ROFLBURGER at number 10 and Tony Romo, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers above him? Last time I checked Big Ben has 2 Superbowl victories in 5 seasons, as well as many playoff victories. In his career he's achieved almost as much as Warner in not even half the time. Albeit behind an offensive line that is horrid. Kurt Warner's only seen that kind of poor protection from his linemen twice in his career, one of those years coming in New York.

Of course everyone knows Big Ben isn't a great quarterback. But your whole argument of why Warner > Brees is about winning, and Ben's a winner. Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers haven't won shit. Why didn't you call me out on that?

Maybe you should know there's something more to being a good quarterback than just winning. By your standard Rex Grossman is a better quarterback than Drew Brees because he has more playoff victories.

What you're forgetting is football is a team sport. Everyone knows Ben Roethlisberger got to the Super Bowl because of that Pittsburgh defense, he just did his part in the Super Bowl, but it was about damn time.

Warner was a bigger key to Arizona's success than Big Ben was to Pittsburgh's, we all know that, but Warner was able to be there because of his team as well.

Stop riding dick and pulling arguments out of your ass.

And I love how all this shit was posted about how you'll get into this never-ending argument, but from what I've seen you've resulted to an insult and "I wasn't talking to you" even though you replied after me talking about why Warner is better than Brees, after I just got done defending why I thought Brees was better than Warner.

[Nukleopatra]

Yeah. As much as I'd love to read some more of your long winded bullshit, I'll pass.

I hope you understand.

[The Messenger]

Yeah. As much as I'd love to read some more of your long winded bullshit, I'll pass.

I hope you understand.

Is this what I call... defeat?

:learnvsn:

[Nukleopatra]

it really is a pointless argument. We all know the NFL changes A LOT each year and more & more surprises are thrown at us

There really isn't an argument.

55-51, 0-18, 1 out of 7.

The guy just isn't a winner, Matt.

[Nukleopatra]

ya i know and its sad to see coz I like the Saints especially after hurricane katrina.

I like Drew Brees.

He's a class act, and if I could somehow make the guy win, I would.

But I just can't put him ahead of guys that do manage to win. Even a guy like Donovan McNabb, who has had little to no weapons throughout his career - Five NFC title games, One super bowl appearance. Yes, all resulting in squat, but I consider a guy like that, a winner. A 9-6 post season record isn't too shabby.

I'm asking you, what argument could I use to put Drew Brees on my top three? We can't use anything of importance, such as victories, or clutch play. Is it because he can put up 350 yards per game? Is that really enough to call the guy a top three NFL quarterback? If I knew of a reason, I'd change my list right now. Should I blame the Saints? Should I blame San Diego? Purdue? Who do I blame? Why is he deserving of a top three spot?

[The Messenger]

There really isn't an argument.

55-51, 0-18, 1 out of 7.

The guy just isn't a winner, Matt.

Quit being an idiot, and I don't give a shit if you're not talking to me.

The Cardinals made the playoffs this season based on one thing and one thing only, they were in the worst conference in the NFL. The NFC West makes Conference USA look like an elite conference in college basketball. Arizona was in the playoffs by fucking default. And that's why everyone thought they would lose in the Wild Card game, because they were horrible leading up to the playoffs.

The Cardinals and the Saints have nearly the same offensive production, the only difference is the Saints play the Panthers, the Bucs, and the Falcons twice a year. The Cardinals play the Seahawks, 49ers, and Rams twice a year. You can't have a shitty defense and expect to win in the NFC South. You can in the NFC West.

Put Drew Brees on this years Cardinals and they do the exact same thing. I don't know where you get off thinking Brees is a choker. 916 passing yards, 5 tds, 2 interceptions, and a 63% completion rate in the playoffs. They lost because of the team as a whole, not because Brees played poorly. You're an idiot regurgitating stupid shit you read on KurtWarnerIsMyHero.com. Warner's playoff numbers in comparison are almost identical.

[Archer]

Quit being an idiot, and I don't give a shit if you're not talking to me.

The Cardinals made the playoffs this season based on one thing and one thing only, they were in the worst conference in the NFL. The NFC West makes Conference USA look like an elite conference in college basketball. Arizona was in the playoffs by fucking default. And that's why everyone thought they would lose in the Wild Card game, because they were horrible leading up to the playoffs.

The Cardinals and the Saints have nearly the same offensive production, the only difference is the Saints play the Panthers, the Bucs, and the Falcons twice a year. The Cardinals play the Seahawks, 49ers, and Rams twice a year. You can't have a shitty defense and expect to win in the NFC South. You can in the NFC West.

Put Drew Brees on this years Cardinals and they do the exact same thing. I don't know where you get off thinking Brees is a choker. 916 passing yards, 5 tds, 2 interceptions, and a 63% completion rate in the playoffs. They lost because of the team as a whole, not because Brees played poorly. You're an idiot regurgitating stupid shit you read on KurtWarnerIsMyHero.com. Warner's playoff numbers in comparison are almost identical.

LOL most people argued the NFC was stronger coming into this seasons playoffs. How can you not call this seasons AFC weak? Brady GONE (Pats are done) Manning hurt , depleated Colts team (Took ages to get going) . Chargers 8-8? (or 9-7) lucky to be in the playoffs. LT HURT , MERRIMEN HURT.

I could go on. Im not saying NFC > AFC but the this season the AFC was very watered down for its high standarts.

[Archer]

Quit being an idiot, and I don't give a shit if you're not talking to me.

The Cardinals made the playoffs this season based on one thing and one thing only, they were in the worst conference in the NFL. The NFC West makes Conference USA look like an elite conference in college basketball. Arizona was in the playoffs by fucking default. And that's why everyone thought they would lose in the Wild Card game, because they were horrible leading up to the playoffs.

The Cardinals and the Saints have nearly the same offensive production, the only difference is the Saints play the Panthers, the Bucs, and the Falcons twice a year. The Cardinals play the Seahawks, 49ers, and Rams twice a year. You can't have a shitty defense and expect to win in the NFC South. You can in the NFC West.

Put Drew Brees on this years Cardinals and they do the exact same thing. I don't know where you get off thinking Brees is a choker. 916 passing yards, 5 tds, 2 interceptions, and a 63% completion rate in the playoffs. They lost because of the team as a whole, not because Brees played poorly. You're an idiot regurgitating stupid shit you read on KurtWarnerIsMyHero.com. Warner's playoff numbers in comparison are almost identical.

Please this is the first decent year out of many that the NFC South has had. 2 seasons ago the South was regarded as one of the worst.

[The Messenger]

LOL most people argued the NFC was stronger coming into this seasons playoffs. How can you not call this seasons AFC weak? Brady GONE (Pats are done) Manning hurt , depleated Colts team (Took ages to get going) . Chargers 8-8? (or 9-7) lucky to be in the playoffs. LT HURT , MERRIMEN HURT.

I could go on. Im not saying NFC > AFC but the this season the AFC was very watered down for its high standarts.

I said NFC West. I was comparing it to the NFC South. Using that as my argument as to why the Cardinals were in the playoffs in the first place.

Cause if you think New Orleans wouldn't be in the playoffs if they were in the NFC West last season then you're an idiot. Same goes if you think Arizona would be in the playoffs if they were in the NFC South last season.