VSN's Top 10 NFL Quarterbacks.

[Woy]

1. Colt Brennan
2. Chris Simms
3. Jared Lorenzen
4. Brad Johnson
5. Koy Detmer
6. Brian St. Pierre
7. Bradlee Van Pelt
8. Ryan Fitzpatrick
9. Ken Dorsey
10. Gus Frerotte

[Saluki]

lol, nuk has been using his 0-18 stat for weeks now, and no body has anything to counter it with.

5000 yards and 34TDs.

[Woy]

...might be eskimo.

Nah, I was bored and wanted to post different names.

[Goober]

1. Colt Brennan
2. Chris Simms
3. Jared Lorenzen
4. Brad Johnson
5. Koy Detmer
6. Brian St. Pierre
7. Bradlee Van Pelt
8. Ryan Fitzpatrick
9. Ken Dorsey
10. Gus Frerotte

lmao at Bradlee Van Pelt. lolz.

[DomePatrol]

We arent 0-18 we are like 2-17 give me my wins douchebag and lol at this entire thread.

[The Messenger]

Everyone who plays into what Nuk is saying about Brees is a fucking idiot who doesn't care to check facts.

Drew Brees stats in the fourth quarter... 10 tds to 6 interceptions, 1,229 yards, and a 63.3% completion rate. He throws more touchdowns in the fourth quarter than he throws in any quarter besides the 3rd. So that means that Brees is most productive in the second half of football games when the games are on the line.

Check his stats when his team is within 7 points if the fourth, his numbers are identical.

Now check Warner's stats in the fourth. The fourth quarter for Warner is his least productive quarter behind the first (the first will always be the least productive). Look at his stats for when his team is within 7 points in the fourth. He's got a better QB rating than Brees in that situation, but he's done far less than what Brees has done when trailing in the fourth.

Please Nuk, try to argue that St. Louis and the Cardinals have the same amount of talent as the New Orleans Saints. You look like a fucking idiot. That's grasping for straws even as a Cardinal fan.

[Nukleopatra]

We arent 0-18 we are like 2-17 give me my wins douchebag and lol at this entire thread.

Dec 3rd.

''The Saints have received a lot of negative attention this week for a somewhat damning statistic: They are 0-18 under Sean Payton when trailing after three quarters, including playoff games.''

Drew Brees took over the QB position the same year as Sean Payton. However, I do believe both guys managed to end that streak against Atlanta, 4 days after the article came out, so I should start giving credit, I guess. But didn't you also lose to Carolina? What's the record now? 1-19? I'm losing track.

[The Messenger]

That's just one season worth of stats man. If you look back farther it gets worse.

Oh I looked back farther, trust me. Warner in 2007 when trailing was completely horrible. Brees was worse than he (Brees) was this year when trailing, but he (Brees) still wasn't worse than Warner when trailing.

Look up the facts man. This year was Warner's first semi-productive year when trailing in the fourth since he left the Rams. SINCE HE LEFT THE RAMS!

Every season since 2002, Drew Brees has been better when trailing than Kurt Warner except for one season. And that wasn't last year, it was in 2003.

[Nukleopatra]

Yes, Random, completely ignore the 6 interceptions Drew Brees threw in two division games, which could have lead to a Saints playoff berth against a rookie quarterback, who out played the lowly veteran, and a Tampa Bay team.

[The Messenger]

Dec 3rd.

''The Saints have received a lot of negative attention this week for a somewhat damning statistic: They are 0-18 under Sean Payton when trailing after three quarters, including playoff games.''

Drew Brees took over the QB position the same year as Sean Payton. However, I do believe both guys managed to end that streak against Atlanta, 4 days after the article came out, so I should start giving credit, I guess. But didn't you also lose to Carolina? What's the record now? 1-19? I'm losing track.

Couple that with the stats I just provided and that proves to you that Drew Brees isn't the problem, it's the New Orleans Saints.

The Saints have had zero defense what-so-ever in Brees career there. Same as Warner. The Saints had maybe one year of a decent rushing attack with Brees in New Orleans. Same as Warner.

The difference between the Saints and Cardinals is Kurt Warner is tossing the ball up to Larry Fitzgerald (who is not able to be covered by any DB in this league) and Anquan Boldin, not to mention Steve Breaston. Both Fitz and Boldin are better than Colston, Fitz being the best WR in the game is 10 times better than Colston.

The Cardinals get by because of their division and because of their passing game. The Saints lose because of their division and because all they have is a passing game.

Stop knocking Brees for shit he can't control. If Warner was in his shoes, we'd be having the same conversation.

And you know if Brees and Warner were switched right now and Brees was the beloved QB of your Cardinals, then we wouldn't be having this debate.

[Nukleopatra]

Seriously, brah, I'm not reading the long winded bullshit.

Why even quote me?

Cut the shit down a few lines, please.

[The Messenger]

Seriously, brah, I'm not reading the long winded bullshit.

Why even quote me?

Cut the shit down a few lines, please.

Is this a translation for...

"I know you're right. It's hard to read a lot of facts proving me, Nukleopatra, wrong. I won't even bother. Instead, I'll bring forth the idea that you write too much. I shall make the statement that it isn't because you are building valid points that I won't read your post. This will then make me look like a complete bad ass in this thread. I hope you understand my reasoning for posting this."

[Nukleopatra]

Is this a translation for...

In translation: I don't even allow people offline to talk to me, if it's longer than three sentences. That's just how I am. As for your facts, I wouldn't know - I haven't read any of them. They could possibly be spot on.

We can have a discussion about Drew Brees' incompetence, without writing a book.

See? I can do it with one word - Incompetence. Your turn.

[The Messenger]

In translation: I don't even allow people offline to talk to me, if it's longer than three sentences. That's just how I am. As for your facts, I wouldn't know - I haven't read any of them. They could possibly be spot on.

We can have a discussion about Drew Brees' incompetence, without writing a book.

See? I can do it with one word - Incompetence. Your turn.

I'll look up a cool word and respond... brb

[The Messenger]

In translation: I don't even allow people offline to talk to me, if it's longer than three sentences. That's just how I am.