Suh ejected

[1ke]

And get ejected too? They knew Suh was gonna get booted for that shit, which would be a huge blow to Detroit, why get a Packers starter booted too?

There is no certainty that someone else would have gotten ejected. Not even a push? 2 lineman right there and they just watched? When DJ did what he did to Stafford in Chicago, much less than a stomp. The whole defense went over there to protect DJ and handle their shit as a team. Just wondering why the 2 obvious people who saw did nothing.

It's funny how Ike is condemning the Packers for being smarter than your usual NFL athletes in such situation. That helps a team be undefeated.

Not really condemning, just curious as to why nobody really stuck up for him.

[s@ppisgod]

the thing Suh needs to realize is he totally fucks over his team by doing this type of thing. The Lions had the Packers in the first half. Not surprisingly, the scoring started up right afterwords. He took his defenses best player (by far) off the field, and deflated his team. Detroit had no fight in them after that.

That, and they really need to Stafford's ass down. you got quality backups there in MoTown. after watching the pregame show and the demonstration of how he's throwing the ball, i think its ludicrous the guy is playing. you can't throw a football with 4 fingers unless you are playing that checkdown short yardage bullshit, which isn't going to work against a Packers team that was moving the ball pretty well but didn't quite have the extra oomph.

If Suh controls himself, and his team keeps riding that high, who knows what would have happened. but sloppy, undisciplined football gave the game to Green Bay. You just can't take that many penalties against a team that good.

Suh needs to hookup with Ron Artest's shrink.

The Lions had just gotten a successful goalline stand against the efficient, undefeated Packers. He took then from 4th down to 1st and goal at the 3. He put his team behind the 8 ball in the situation, the game, and possibly for a couple more games just because he wanted to be a douche.
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[Argath]

Yeah....he only almost stepped on some minimum wage OL-men's elbow....so that's ok.

last I checked nobody playing in an NFL game was getting paid $7.25 an hour but maybe I'm wrong

[bucky]

the thing Suh needs to realize is he totally fucks over his team by doing this type of thing. The Lions had the Packers in the first half. Not surprisingly, the scoring started up right afterwords. He took his defenses best player (by far) off the field, and deflated his team. Detroit had no fight in them after that.

GB was up 7-0 and about to go up 10-0 when Suh pulled his BS. I wouldn't say the Lions had GB. Game would probably been closer but GB was still ahead by over a TD when this happened.

And I don't think Suh had any QB sacks, hits or any tackles up to that point, so it's not like the guy was dominating the game.

[bucky]

Good. I hope he murders the next motherfucker that messes with him. Those refs were flag happy anyways. Anybody with a hyphenated name needs their ass kicked anyway.

You're not funny.

[bucky]

A problem of mine is, why didnt anyone from GB go after him. 4 players saw this, and all 4 started whining and begging. Fuck that, 2 O-lineman were right there. Jordy and Greg I can understand. They needed to light his ass up right away. Soft.

You want to know what the O-lineman were doing? They were being smart NOT being ejected from the game, winning, and improving on there already perfect record. GB O-Lineman smarter than you (or Suh).

[Primetime]

That play may be the reason the Lions don't make the playoffs this year. A reach, but a funny one.

[Diivox]

GB was up 7-0 and about to go up 10-0 when Suh pulled his BS. I wouldn't say the Lions had GB. Game would probably been closer but GB was still ahead by over a TD when this happened.

And I don't think Suh had any QB sacks, hits or any tackles up to that point, so it's not like the guy was dominating the game.

GB was up 7-0 because of that miracle play from Matthews (fuck his stats, that guy is still as beastly as ever). There's at least two touchdowns in that game that were purely because of stupid detroit penalties and stupid turnovers. Goddamn if it wasn't flag after flag play after play the entire first half, just no discipline from the Lions. The deep pass to James Jones was a classic Rodgers play, and Green Bay earned it, so don't misinterpret ; I'm not trying to say Detroit got robbed any stretch of the imagination.

But to only be down 7, a 7 that was gifted, at the half, was quite a statement. I mean I could be one of those little bitch fans that complains about the bad spot or this call or that call but my random moniker is Diivox not BigBucs so I won't go there. That being said, I've been saying all season long that the way to beat Green Bay is to play good defense and sustain long drives, keeping Rodgers the fuck off the field. the Lions were doing that.

Football is a sport that is really deeply based on passion and momentum, which is why I love it so much. This is what Suh needs to learn. When Suh is at his best, he's out there setting the tone for his teammates reminding them that they dont have to take shit from anyone. Suh is the most important player on that team ; his motor, his passion, his "we ARE better than them and we have no excuse if we don't win" mentality is a larger part of Detroits turnaround than anyone realizes. The guy just doesn't know where the lines are, and I have to agree with the sentiment that this is a coaching thing. Schwartz has made the consciounce decision that he'd rather have the penalties and downside of that type of aggressive than have a soft team that doesn't beleive in itself.

After the ejection, his teammates werent the same. Speaking of Clay Matthews, the two players have similar effects on their team. Their value isnt found in the stat line, it's found in the way their motor rubs off on their teammates. When you've got a guy out there like Suh/Matthews playing every down like it's the closing scene of Rudy, it makes other guys better. It makes guys work harder. It makes the coaching staff's job easier. It helps the team in ways numbers cant quantify.

[bucky]

GB was up 7-0 because of that miracle play from Matthews (fuck his stats, that guy is still as beastly as ever). There's at least two touchdowns in that game that were purely because of stupid detroit penalties and stupid turnovers. Goddamn if it wasn't flag after flag play after play the entire first half, just no discipline from the Lions. The deep pass to James Jones was a classic Rodgers play, and Green Bay earned it, so don't misinterpret ; I'm not trying to say Detroit got robbed any stretch of the imagination.
But to only be down 7, a 7 that was gifted, at the half, was quite a statement.

So what? You were saying that Detroit had GB in the first half. GB was up by 7 and was going to be up by 10. No way is that HAVING a team. That was my point. The best you can say is that Detroit was keeping it fairly close. And that's actually impressive. They also did it last year and won one of the two. But they did not have GB in the first half. They stupid penalties that keep drives going are part of the game, not a side dish.

I really think the REAL difference in that game wasn't Suh, but was the difference in QB's. Stafford will throw picks and he did. Rodger's just takes care of the ball. You can say the defense gift wrapped the first TD, but it's a team game. The defensive play also counts. Detroit did not HAVE GB in the first half. They kept it fairly close. Close enough that they could have come back in won if Stafford doesn't throw 3 picks that turn into points for GB.

[Fappin Raptor]

I wish we had Greg Jennings. Whole different outcome!

[Diivox]

So what? You were saying that Detroit had GB in the first half. GB was up by 7 and was going to be up by 10. No way is that HAVING a team. That was my point. The best you can say is that Detroit was keeping it fairly close. And that's actually impressive. They also did it last year and won one of the two. But they did not have GB in the first half. They stupid penalties that keep drives going are part of the game, not a side dish.

I really think the REAL difference in that game wasn't Suh, but was the difference in QB's. Stafford will throw picks and he did. Rodger's just takes care of the ball. You can say the defense gift wrapped the first TD, but it's a team game. The defensive play also counts. Detroit did not HAVE GB in the first half. They kept it fairly close. Close enough that they could have come back in won if Stafford doesn't throw 3 picks that turn into points for GB.

relax man, im not going to argue semantics with you, you can call it "keeping it close" and I can call it" "they had them" but the last thing I want to do is get into an argument about English when i'm talking football. Detroit played Green Bay better than anyone else has with the possible exception of the first Minnesota/GB game (a game the Vikings could have won if they had a head coach with balls, and probably should have won with the way Ponder was playing). I don't really give a fuck how you choose to describe it and I don't really understand why it's such a big deal to argue about it, but if you choose to continue doing so, it's an unmoderated forum so whatever floats your boat. I've watched every down of Packer football this year and Detroit was the best competition Green Bay has faced so far, and if Suh had kept his cool and the score was still close in the 4th... I mean... isn't that the most you can ask for against a historically good team like this years Packers?

[Diivox]

I wish we had Greg Jennings. Whole different outcome!

Calvin Johnson was criminally underused besides the garbage time scores, which were, well, in garbage time. That's what happens when your starting quarterback is throwing the ball with 4 fingers. And they need to give up on that jump ball in the corner of the endzone to Johnson - I called it before the snap, and I'm not as intelligent as most defensive coordinators. saw it coming a mile away.

[bucky]

relax man, im not going to argue semantics with you, you can call it "keeping it close" and I can call it" "they had them"

Dude, it has nothing to do with semantics, it has to do with accuracy. You can't "HAVE" a team and be LOSING. It's that simple. I'm not arguing against the rest of what you are saying. Detroit "kept it close" is accurate. Detroit "HAVING GB" is inaccurate.

And, I know you are a GB fan, and I don't doubt you have watched nearly every snap this year. I've watched nearly every GB snap for well over 40 years.

[bucky]

Calvin Johnson was criminally underused besides the garbage time scores, which were, well, in garbage time. That's what happens when your starting quarterback is throwing the ball with 4 fingers. And they need to give up on that jump ball in the corner of the endzone to Johnson - I called it before the snap, and I'm not as intelligent as most defensive coordinators. saw it coming a mile away.

GB had T. Williams and a safety on Johnson the entire game. I think that had a lot more to do with it than Staffords hand. Nobody was talking about his hand hindering him while he was throwing 5 TD's last week. Teams choose what they want to take away from the other side. GB decided to really concentrate on Johnson.

[MvP]

The deep pass to James Jones was a classic Rodgers play

That particular play action pass route works EVERY time. It's seriously like a cheese money play in Madden, we've been completing long touchdowns off that route with each of our top 4 receivers for multiple seasons now and no teams have figured out how to stop it. I've noticed other teams actually running that play with success this season too after seeing us do it..I recall the Lions doing it with Calvin Johnson and I forget the other team that also did it.