The Hypothetical 2011 NCAA Playoff Thread

[FirstTimer]

Maybe, given the state of CFB today, and the parity not being there (yet) every conference champ levels the field too much....but requiring any mid tier team to basically start teh year ranked(pretty much by chance) and then run the table......still seems WAY to unbalanced for my tastes.

[ZoneBlitz]

Ok. But then this loops back around. Ark St and all these teams will quit playing the top tier teams on the road for tune ups if they feel that all they have to do is run the table. Arkansas St's two losses this year were to Illinois and Va tech. If they feel that they go undefeated and can get into the Top 8 they go to the other weak conferences for OOC slates.

I agree with the point you're making here, but this scenario furthers the case that the bottom tier dont belong with the top tier. Arkansas State went undefeated against their non-AQ brethen, but were overmatched in their only 2 games vs AQ opponents.

Maybe, given the state of CFB today, and the parity not being there (yet) every conference champ levels the field too much....but requiring any mid tier team to basically start teh year ranked(pretty much by chance) and then run the table......still seems WAY to unbalanced for my tastes.

I think Houston started the year unranked, and they still reached as high as #6 before losing.

I know 2008 Ball State started the year unranked, and they were 1 win away from cracking the top 10.

Its very possible.

IMO in order for any team from bottom tier to be included in the discussion for a playoff they should run the table and separate themself from their inferior conference competition.

[FirstTimer]

I think Houston started the year unranked, and they still reached as high as #6 before losing.

Yeah Houston was reciving votes but was unranked.

Its very possible.

Ball Stat's case is intersting. I doubt a MAC win over Buffalo helps them much maybe they jump to #10 but I doubt they jump 4 spots. And even then we are scraping by here.

Even in 2007 Haiwaii started ranked #23 ran the table and only got up to #10.

The balance just seems "off".

IMO I'd rather have the balance be flat across the board and more objective but in the end as long as there is at least a 6 team playoff I'd be content. 4 Is alright I guess and most likely what we will end up with but even still it would be better than what we have now. If it's only 4 or 6 though IMO it has to be conference champs only. You get toward 8 and 12 and at larges can be thrown in I suppose at that point.

IMO in order for any team from bottom tier to be included in the discussion for a playoff they should run the table and separate themself from their inferior conference competition.

Agree and disagree a bit. If you are for at larges does Boise losing to a good TCU team really show they aren't worthy of being NC's even though they already beat Georgia this season?

I just think treating some teams and saying they have room for error, and saying others need to run the table even to have a shot at all of even getting in to begin with doesn't really jive.

[FirstTimer]

To go conference champs only in a 4-6 team playoff would leave a few conferences outside looking in.. which would alienate them from the title even moreso than they are now.

And to Go Top 4 you risk getting as few as two conferences only into the playoff.
Two weeks ago you had 3 SEC teams in the Top 4.

Conference champs only at 4 or 6 you're guraunteeing at least 4 or 6 conferences are involved.

You actually risk more conferences being cut out by going with the rankings alone.

Also you can't take just conference champs when every team in the conference doesn't even play each other IMO.

Wut?

Why not?

[FirstTimer]

This year:

Top 4...you get 3 conferences in. SEC, Big 12, Pac 12. Including two teams that didn't even win or even play for their conference title.

Top 4 or 6 conference champs. 4 or 6 conferences are in. All conference champs.

[Hasselbeck]

I don't think you need a playoff to have a Cinderella run to be honest.

If Boise and TCU go undefeated this year one of them is playing for the NC but they couldn't get it done.

:nono:

[FirstTimer]

:nono:

Good catch.

I missed that one.

[FirstTimer]

What's the problem here?

It would be impossible for Boise and TCU to go undefeated this year(so that one reaches the title game)...they played eachother.

[FirstTimer]

Plus maybe Hass thinks or feels that a 1 loss Bama or Okie St still get in over a perfect BSU or TCU.

Especially given the entire Bama thing.

[FirstTimer]

Not sure how a six team playoff works... How do you decide which conferences get left out and which two teams get a bye?

Zone plan is the Top 6 ranked conference champs(of any conference I believe) from the BCS standings. Top 2 ranked teams get a bye.

I've been saying eight teams all along so I don't know why you keep throwing this 4 team nonsense at me.

I was using 4 as an example.

Even still. Use the Top 8 teams in the BCS and you only have 4 conferences in. 3 SEC teams, 2 Big 12, 2 Pac 12, and The MWC.
You're cutting out from the BCS conference's: The Big East, ACC, and Big 10. I really doubt the conferences get behind a system that would/could leave at least 3 of the big money making conferences out in the cold.

I'm thinking the BCS conferences will get behind only a system that promises them a slot. Hence why I think a variation of the 6 team model that ZB makes sense and is practical. Maybe expand it to 8 so you have two at larges...roll from there.

6 BCS conference champs. Two at large spots. Go.

[NAHSTE]

Zone plan is the Top 6 ranked conference champs(of any conference I believe) from the BCS standings. Top 2 ranked teams get a bye.


I was using 4 as an example.

Even still. Use the Top 8 teams in the BCS and you only have 4 conferences in. 3 SEC teams, 2 Big 12, 2 Pac 12, and The MWC.
You're cutting out from the BCS conference's: The Big East, ACC, and Big 10. I really doubt the conferences get behind a system that would/could leave at least 3 of the big money making conferences out in the cold.

I'm thinking the BCS conferences will get behind only a system that promises them a slot. Hence why I think a variation of the 6 team model that ZB makes sense and is practical. Maybe expand it to 8 so you have two at larges...roll from there.

6 BCS conference champs. Two at large spots. Go.

I do think there should be a provision that any undefeated team, regardless of conference, gets an automatic at-large bid.

[Hasselbeck]

Plus maybe Hass thinks or feels that a 1 loss Bama or Okie St still get in over a perfect BSU or TCU.

Especially given the entire Bama thing.

Exactly. TCU and Boise didn't get a shot when they had much better teams that went unbeaten.. they'd have been given their token Fiesta Bowl appearance against Oklahoma State or something and sent on their way.

The way the system is set up.. Boise State or TCU will NEVER get a shot at a National Championship. Hence why Boise is agreeing to play in the Big East and why TCU was about to do that before the Big 12 came with a life raft.

[Bear Pand]

What's the problem here?

Boise was stuck behind Bama in the BCS after Bama loss. If OK state couldn't get past them Boise most likely would not have been able to either.

[DoubleDeuce]

TCU went undefeated last season. Yep, they sure blew it!

Boise lost to a really good TCU team this year.

Okie St, who if they had gotten into the NCG no one really would have fussed,(other than Double Deuce) lost to Iowa St.

Come on.

Actually, after OSU's thrashing of OU, I said OSU deserves it over Bama. Way to be an ignorant fuck.

[FirstTimer]

I'm not so sure about that.. If Boise runs the table I think the clamoring is too loud for the voters with only two undefeated teams remaining and a win over Georgia in a hostile environment in their back pocket..

Let's not forget that OK St. lost to a really shitty team, that kind of loss is hard for any team to overcome.

Iowa St isn't that shitty.

They went .500 against a Top 5 schedule. They have some talent. The next week they played Oklahoma pretty tough too.

It's not a great loss but Iowa St isn't Akron