Could LSU lose to Alabama in the National Championship and still be #1?

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  • Ravin
    Dishing the Gino's
    • Feb 2009
    • 6994

    At the end of the day, there is to many fucking polls.
    All you need to know when thinking of the NHL vs Madden series is the two people involved in making the games.

    "rammer" and "cummings"

    The NHL series is a giver, Madden takes the load.

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    • ZoneBlitz
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      • Feb 2009
      • 1844

      I've said that a million times. They are two separate things. So you need to stop pretending like they are the same thing.
      Its actually the other way around. You keep saying that if we had a playoff, the AP poll would be irrelevant, tieing the 2 together. I say they are separate and been asking why that would be the case, and you bring CBB as an example. Then i remind you that CBB has never crowned a champion with a poll.

      The AP Poll is only as meaningful as people make it to be. The NCAA cannot dictate what the AP does. Likewise, the AP cannot tell the NCAA they cannot have a playoff.

      What the AP does is irrelevant. Neither you nor I have control over it. I am not interested in discussing how the AP conducts their polls.
      What the AP does is not irrelevant. There was a split championship in 2003 because of it, and there could be another split this season.

      You are saying that if we had a playoff, people wouldnt care about the AP. But to that i say, the AP should be irrelevant right now, but its not.

      Then you're gonna say its not irrelevant because we dont have a playoff. To that i say we have a championship game, which should be treated the same.

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      • FirstTimer
        Freeman Error

        • Feb 2009
        • 18729

        Originally posted by ZoneBlitz


        , the AP should be irrelevant right now,
        Disagree. I see the coaches poll as a bigger farce than the AP Poll

        And a championship game should not be treated the same as a playoff.

        If that were the case........no one would be wanting a playoff.

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        • ZoneBlitz
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          • Feb 2009
          • 1844

          Originally posted by FirstTimer
          And a championship game should not be treated the same as a playoff.

          If that were the case........no one would be wanting a playoff.
          It should be treated exactly the same.

          People want a playoff because they want more teams to get a chance at winning the championship.

          If there was a 4 team playoff, people might still want more teams...so does that mean people wouldnt care who wins a 4 team playoff??

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          • ZoneBlitz
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            • Feb 2009
            • 1844

            Earlier in this thread someone was making the exact point that the championship game should be treated like a playoff game.

            Many people feel this way.

            Treating the championship game like a random bowl game is stupid.

            Definition, Synonyms, Translations of championship by The Free Dictionary


            cham·pi·on·ship (chmp-n-shp)
            n.
            1. The position or title of a winner.
            3. A competition or series of competitions held to determine a winner

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            • Senser81
              VSN Poster of the Year
              • Feb 2009
              • 12804

              Originally posted by ZoneBlitz
              Its actually the other way around. You keep saying that if we had a playoff, the AP poll would be irrelevant, tieing the 2 together. I say they are separate and been asking why that would be the case, and you bring CBB as an example. Then i remind you that CBB has never crowned a champion with a poll.
              Of course they are tied together! But they are irrelevant to the discussion, because one doesn't determine the action of the other. The NCAA cannot make the AP NOT release a poll, and the AP cannot tell the NCAA they CAN'T have a playoff. You seem to be against the NCAA having a playoff because the AP can merely release a poll after the playoff, which in your opinion would make the playoff meaningless. I'm saying that point of view is wrong, because the only meaning the AP Poll receives is derived from the people viewing it.


              Senser: If college football uses a tournament system like college basketball, then the end-of-the-year poll would be unnecessary like in college basketball.

              ZB: That makes no sense, because CBB doesn't use a poll to crown their champion, whereas CFB does!

              Senser: But we are talking about changing the current CFB system to be more in line with the current CBB system.

              ZB: We are? I seemingly have been blathering for so long, I forgot what we were talking about in the first place. I guess you've been right all along. My bad.

              Senser: No problem, friend.

              ZB: Thanks.

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              • ZoneBlitz
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                • Feb 2009
                • 1844

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                • FirstTimer
                  Freeman Error

                  • Feb 2009
                  • 18729

                  Originally posted by ZoneBlitz
                  It should be treated exactly the same.
                  No, it shouldn't.

                  A situation where only two teams are hand picked to play for a game should not be treated the same as a playoff.



                  Originally posted by ZoneBlitz
                  People want a playoff because they want more teams to get a chance at winning the championship.
                  :whut:

                  Originally posted by ZoneBlitz
                  If there was a 4 team playoff, people might still want more teams...so does that mean people wouldnt care who wins a 4 team playoff??
                  ................................................

                  You've gone off the rails now Ozzy.

                  Originally posted by ZoneBlitz
                  Earlier in this thread someone was making the exact point that the championship game should be treated like a playoff game.Many people feel this way.
                  I'm pretty sure that was you................................

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                  • ZoneBlitz
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                    • Feb 2009
                    • 1844

                    Originally posted by FirstTimer
                    I'm pretty sure that was you................................
                    Originally posted by Rudi
                    No.
                    Originally posted by Villain
                    Who cares if the voters think they are number 1? The BCS game is what matters the most. Being ranked number 1 just gets you into that game. The winner of the Championship match is the Champion. Period.

                    It's like saying that it doesn't matter that the Patriots lost in the superbowl against the Giants because they were still number 1 in voting. BFD. Superbowl is all that matters. The shit that happened prior gets you in. It's all whiped clean and gone once that whistle is blown and the opening kickoff is flying down the field.

                    EDIT: Just read that Saban made that same point. Good for him. Here's an alternate example: Boxing. If the Pac-man beats you 3 times along with 40 other dudes, then you come up and knock him out on your 4th try... Guess what? The belt is yours.
                    FT = FAIL.

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                    • ZoneBlitz
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                      • Feb 2009
                      • 1844

                      Originally posted by FirstTimer
                      No, it shouldn't.

                      A situation where only two teams are hand picked to play for a game should not be treated the same as a playoff.
                      Championship game = winner becomes champion.

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                      • Senser81
                        VSN Poster of the Year
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 12804

                        Originally posted by ZoneBlitz
                        FT = FAIL.
                        LOL..Villian? He's one of the worst posters on VSN. And his comments are irrelevant to the discussion. He is talking about things as they currently are, we are talking about how things would be under a playoff system.

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                        • Senser81
                          VSN Poster of the Year
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 12804

                          Originally posted by ZoneBlitz
                          Championship game = winner becomes champion.
                          How is that a playoff tournament? I thought a tournament consisted of more than two teams.

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                          • ZoneBlitz
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                            • Feb 2009
                            • 1844

                            Originally posted by Senser81
                            Of course they are tied together! But they are irrelevant to the discussion, because one doesn't determine the action of the other. The NCAA cannot make the AP NOT release a poll, and the AP cannot tell the NCAA they CAN'T have a playoff. You seem to be against the NCAA having a playoff because the AP can merely release a poll after the playoff, which in your opinion would make the playoff meaningless. I'm saying that point of view is wrong, because the only meaning the AP Poll receives is derived from the people viewing it.
                            Im not against a playoff. Im against people who claim the current championship game shouldnt be treated like a championship game, like FirstTimer.

                            Im not even sure if you agree with FT. If you dont, then we have no disagreement.

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                            • FirstTimer
                              Freeman Error

                              • Feb 2009
                              • 18729

                              Originally posted by ZoneBlitz
                              FT = FAIL.
                              Actually not.

                              Learn to read and understand the context of the discussion.

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                              • FirstTimer
                                Freeman Error

                                • Feb 2009
                                • 18729

                                Originally posted by ZoneBlitz
                                Im not against a playoff. Im against people who claim the current championship game shouldnt be treated like a championship game, like FirstTimer.

                                .
                                Completely false.

                                You haven't been following along.

                                Try again.

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