Could LSU lose to Alabama in the National Championship and still be #1?

[shag773]

Yes it does, the AP poll crowns a champion, independant from the BCS champ. Thats what this thread was completely about.

You are arguing that if there was a playoff in place we could still see LSU top the AP poll if they lost at any point. In CBB, where there is a playoff, the winner has never not stood atop the AP poll.

[Senser81]

No, i never said or implied people would have a problem with a rematch in a playoff...id have to be pretty fucking drooling on myself retarded to believe that...my point was people having a problem with the winner.

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Very confused.

So, lets say in next year's preseason AP Poll, we have Oregon #1 and Arkansas #2. Then, at the end of the regular season, those are the two teams we have facing off against each other in the title game.

Would you then conclude "we don't need to have a regular season, we could have picked the title game participants at the beginning of the year and then just played one game to determine this year's national champions"?

I don't understand this omnipotence that the pollsters seem to suddenly have.

[FirstTimer]

I'm not even sure this thread matters because we all know Alabama will award themselves some fucked up National Title win or lose.

[ZoneBlitz]

And we've been telling you that you are wrong..because so far..no one has agreed with you...or even come close to doing so in fact..as we've pointed out the actual way that the rematch came about is the EXACT REASON no one would have a problem with the rematch OR the winner!

Valid point.

But you didnt respond to my response to that, you ran to making polls like a homo.

I told you, LSU could still be seen as "superior" to Alabama, even if they lose in a playoff game. You could still make the same argument for LSU in that scenario as people do now. Thats why i told you its possible this could be an issue with a playoff.

[FirstTimer]

I told you, LSU could still be seen as "superior" to Alabama, even if they lose in a playoff game.

Ok and the same could be said for any playoff matchup ever..in any sport that has ever occurred or used a playoff of any kind.

So what.

Thats why i told you its possible this could be an issue with a playoff.

That's not an "issue" with the playoff. If you feel that way then you'd have a problem with any playoff that could ever possibly result in a rematch and especially in a one and done scenario. I'm assuming you don't....so you're just being stupid again.

This massive outcry and issue and possible hand wringing occurs in no other sport on any relevant level. You thinking that it would all of a sudden be this huge issue in CFB is both laughable and flat out incorrect.

[Senser81]

I told you, LSU could still be seen as "superior" to Alabama, even if they lose in a playoff game. You could still make the same argument for LSU in that scenario as people do now. Thats why i told you its possible this could be an issue with a playoff.

But the issue isn't "Does LSU deserve the title if they win?", the issue is "Does Alabama deserve the title if they win?"

How do you not understand that? We are talking about the UNDESERVING team winning the national title, not the deserving team winning the national title.

It would be like someone says "Did Willie Hernandez deserve the AL Cy Young award in 1984?", and you respond with "Justin Verlander DID deserve to win the AL Cy Young award in 2011."

[FirstTimer]

How the fuck is he not getting this?

[ZoneBlitz]

Ok and the same could be said for any playoff matchup ever..in any sport that has ever occurred or used a playoff of any kind.

So what.


That's not an "issue" with the playoff. If you feel that way then you'd have a problem with any playoff that could ever possibly result in a rematch and especially in a one and done scenario. I'm assuming you don't....so you're just being stupid again.

This massive outcry and issue and possible hand wringing occurs in no other sport on any relevant level. You thinking that it would all of a sudden be this huge issue in CFB is both laughable and flat out incorrect.

But no other sport has the ability to crown a champion with a poll, so your comparisons are completely irrelevant.

If people deem LSU superior to Alabama even after losing a playoff game, they can crown LSU champs. Its an issue, because the possibility is there. Thats my point.

[Senser81]

If people deem LSU superior to Alabama even after losing a playoff game, they can crown LSU champs. Its an issue, because the possibility is there. Thats my point.

Thats awesome. Its like Martin Scorsese losing out on the Best Director Oscar, but two weeks later he receives a trophy at The People's Choice Awards.

[ZoneBlitz]

But the issue isn't "Does LSU deserve the title if they win?", the issue is "Does Alabama deserve the title if they win?"

How do you not understand that? We are talking about the UNDESERVING team winning the national title, not the deserving team winning the national title.

It would be like someone says "Did Willie Hernandez deserve the AL Cy Young award in 1984?", and you respond with "Justin Verlander DID deserve to win the AL Cy Young award in 2011."

I understand it.

People could say that LSU is MORE deserving than Alabama.

You guys are not understanding that.

[FirstTimer]

But no other sport has the ability to crown a champion with a poll, so your comparisons are completely irrelevant.

No they aren't because you have no idea how the polling would work in a plyoff system. PLUS this poll is voted on by humans....which leads me tot eh point all of us have been making..nobody(human/person) would question Alabama being the NC in any relevant meaningful way in any meaningful crowd or number because of the way Alabama and LSU each got to the game.

:obama:

It would not be a "major issue" as you state. In fact, it would be almost nothing..if it were anything...at all.

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I understand it.

People could say that LSU is MORE deserving than Alabama.

You guys are not understanding that.

No..we understand it. You don't

[Senser81]

People could say that LSU is MORE deserving than Alabama.

Thats like step 1 of the thought process. So, people say LSU is MORE deserving than Alabama because they went undefeated, beat Alabama at Bama, and then beat Alabama a second time in the national championship game.

Step 2 of the thought process is noticing "Hey, but people won't have a problem if LSU wins the title, the problem will occur if ALABAMA wins the national championship, despite having a worse record than LSU (12-1 vs. 13-1) and having lost to LSU at home.

Until you can get to Step 2 of the thought process, this discussion is pointless.

[ZoneBlitz]

Thats like step 1 of the thought process. So, people say LSU is MORE deserving than Alabama because they went undefeated, beat Alabama at Bama, and then beat Alabama a second time in the national championship game.

Step 2 of the thought process is noticing "Hey, but people won't have a problem if LSU wins the title, the problem will occur if ALABAMA wins the national championship, despite having a worse record than LSU (12-1 vs. 13-1) and having lost to LSU at home.

Until you can get to Step 2 of the thought process, this discussion is pointless.

I am at step 2. Whats your point?

Ill repeat my point again.

If Alabama beats LSU in a playoff, people could still vote LSU as #1 in the AP poll.

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

[FirstTimer]

If Alabama beats LSU in a playoff, people could still vote LSU as #1 in the AP poll.

No one said it "couldn't happen".

We said it wouldn't be a "major issue" and would more than likely not even happen let alone be a "major issue" as you stated because no one would feel Alabama was underserving of 1. The rematch and 2. The title if they went through a playoff to get there because we see rematches in other sports and no one gives a shit, or cares, or sees it as a "major issue" because of the playoff format.

[Senser81]

I am at step 2. Whats your point?

Ill repeat my point again.

If Alabama beats LSU in a playoff, people could still vote LSU as #1 in the AP poll.

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

Because the AP Poll is like the People's Choice Awards if you have a playoff? Thats kind of like saying "this will work 99 out of 100 times, but since it might not work we shouldn't do it".

They should also do away with the NCAA Basketball tournament, too, because its conceivable that the AP could still vote Butler as the national champion after they score 40 points in the title game?