Could LSU lose to Alabama in the National Championship and still be #1?

[Youk]

:obama:

No.

It's not.


Think about it for a few minutes.


No one is saying they'd have to share the BCS championship.

You're an idiot. You're really going to get into semantics on here? You know damn well that everyone here is talking about the AP vote. I know the only way you can act like your correct is to try to troll the shit out of people, but that doesn't always work.

No shit they won't share the BCS Championship Win. I think that's obvious, since if you lose, you obviously can't win. I feel like I'm talking to a child when having to explain that. That's why the topic is about the AP vote. That's why my opinion is that even if LSU loses the game, they shouldn't be awarded a share of the championship. How would they be awarded that? By the AP vote.

[FirstTimer]

You're really going to get into semantics on here?

it's not semantics. It's the way the voting actually works.

Please review how the BCS works then come back.

No shit they won't share the BCS Championship Win. I think that's obvious

Apparently not.

[Youk]

it's not semantics. It's the way the voting actually works.

Please review how the BCS works then come back.


Apparently not.

Bring something to the table here. If I'm "wrong", then actually explain it if you know it so well. Teach me, because otherwise, you bring nothing to this thread.

[FirstTimer]

Bring something to the table here. If I'm "wrong", then actually explain it if you know it so well. Teach me, because otherwise, you bring nothing to this thread.

It's not obvious? In fact I already explained it maybe less than 15 posts ago.

Either keep up or quit acting indignant.

[Youk]

So after "learning" about this, I stand by my point that a team that loses the Championship game should not be eligible to win the AP vote for champion. This is entirely possible, no matter the outcome of the BCS game.

The BCS Championship obviously goes to the team that wins the BCS Championship (man, I feel like I'm talking to a child), and the #1 ranking in the BCS standings. That's not the issue in this topic, however.

Since you prefer we stay on topic, this topic is about the AP Championship, which is not tied to the BCS Championship. The AP can vote however they want to, which is what led to the LSU/USC split championship. USC received the AP vote, while LSU received the BCS championship.

If you'd like to talk more about the BCS process, I suggest you take it to another thread, but since we're all trying to talk about the AP vote, maybe you should stick to that.

[FirstTimer]

So after "learning" about this, I stand by my point that a team that loses the Championship game should not be eligible to win the AP vote for champion.

Ok?

And I think they should be. Especially if the AP Poll has no say in who goes to the BCS championship game.

It's two separate entities.

Saying the AP vote should be tied to the BCS game which they have nothing to do with at this point is kind of stupid.

Secondly, saying the AP vote shouldn't exist isn't the same thing as saying they should be forced to vote for the BCS winner. Frankly, if any poll should be used in the BCS it should be the AP Poll. Not the coaches.

The BCS Championship obviously goes to the team that wins the BCS Championship

Obvious poster is obvious.

which is not tied to the BCS Championship

Ding ding ding.

[Youk]

Ok?

And I think they should be. Especially if the AP Poll has no say in who goes to the BCS championship game.

It's two separate entities.

Saying the AP vote should be tied to the BCS game which they have nothing to do with at this point is kind of stupid.

Secondly, saying the AP vote shouldn't exist isn't the same thing as saying they should be forced to vote for the BCS winner. Frankly, if any poll should be used in the BCS it should be the AP Poll. Not the coaches.

First, thanks for pointing out the obvious that I was obviously being obvious.

:smugusa: (We really need regular smug back)

Ok?

And I think they should be. Especially if the AP Poll has no say in who goes to the BCS championship game.

And there we go! An opinion, where either party could be correct because it's not a stated fact!

How is it stupid? A #2 team beats a #1 team, but doesn't move over the #1 team in the standings? Take the championship portion out of it for a second, forget that we are talking about that. Should a team lose a position after a loss? Yes. Should a team gain a position after a win? Yes, if there is a losing team ahead of them. In the case of LSU/Alabama, LSU's only loss would come to Bama, and Bama's only loss would come to LSU. The fact is, LSU lost and with that, move down in the rankings. It's all about the timing in college football, and a loss in the national championship sure as shit should prevent LSU from winning the AP vote. Would this always be the case? I don't think so. It's just how this year has worked out, that if Bama won, each team would have only lost to each other.

Agreed, I think the coaches poll is ridiculous and used horribly by coaches to position their teams where they need, whether they like to admit it or not. That shouldn't have an effect on the championship.

[ZoneBlitz]

It shouldnt matter what poll is used to pick the BCS title game contenders, the point is that 2 teams are selected to play for the championship.

If the AP decides to vote for the loser of the championship game, its stupid and should be considered completely irrelevant.

BCS championship game = crowns a champion.

AP poll = irrelevant poll that doesnt understand how a championship game works.

[FirstTimer]

:smugusa: (We really need regular smug back)

Thanks Glen.

And there we go! An opinion, where either party could be correct because it's not a stated fact!

How is it stupid?

Because the AP Poll has nothing to do with determining who the 1 vs 2 team is in that game. This year is an odd deal because of the rematch stuff etc. But it's entirely possible(and I believe happened in 2003) that AP #2 and #3 were in the BCS game..and the #1 and 4 team were in another bowl. The AP #1 won their game....So they stayed #1 in the AP Poll. And that was when the AP Poll was still involved with the BCS. Let alone now when they aren't tied to it.

The AP Poll, if independent of the BCS game should be able to vote for whoever they feel is the NC.

Saying the AP Poll should automatically acknowledge the BCS game winner when they aren't even involved with that game is dumb.

[ZoneBlitz]

Saying the AP Poll should automatically acknowledge the BCS game winner when they aren't even involved with that game is dumb.

They should, because its a championship game.

Thats like me coming up with a VSN poll after the Super Bowl, and people crown the loser of the game. The VSN poll isnt involved with the SB so they are allowed to pick whoever they want, but picking anyone other than the SB champion would be retarded.

[FirstTimer]

, because its a championship game.

It's not their championship game.

[Youk]

Thanks Glen.

Welcome.

The AP Poll, if independent of the BCS game should be able to vote for whoever they feel is the NC.

Saying the AP Poll should automatically acknowledge the BCS game winner when they aren't even involved with that game is dumb.

Understandable. Looking on it, I don't think the AP Poll in general should be forced into automatically acknowledging the BCS Champion each season, but in this specific case, I have to say that voting for LSU as the #1 team in the AP after a loss just is an unfair shot at Alabama. I don't see how LSU can still be the #1 team after a loss to Alabama.

[FirstTimer]

Understandable. Looking on it, I don't think the AP Poll in general should be forced into automatically acknowledging the BCS Champion each season, but in this specific case, I have to say that voting for LSU as the #1 team in the AP after a loss just is an unfair shot at Alabama. I don't see how LSU can still be the #1 team after a loss to Alabama.

Two things here.

1. I don't think it's an unfair shot at Bama depending how the game plays out. LSU has had a hell of a season. Like I mentioned in another thread if LSU loses to Bama the way Bama lost to LSU the first time....I don't think it's unfair if a poll decided LSU was the NC.

2. I don't know how Bama can play LSU for the championship if they've already lost to LSU, didn't win their division or conference but that's been covered.

[ZoneBlitz]

It's not their championship game.

This goes back to the argument we were having pages ago, where i said you could say the same thing if we had a playoff...the AP would be allowed to crown whoever they want, but crowning anyone other than the playoff winner would be irrelevant.

Obviously we dont have a playoff, but we have a championship game, so the premise is the same.

[FirstTimer]

where i said you could say the same thing if we had a playoff.

Except for the fact that we already covered how people's perceptions of a playoff and how they work and what they determine would rpevent that from happening in contrast to the way things are now.

Try and keep up.