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  • NAHSTE
    Probably owns the site
    • Feb 2009
    • 22233

    #16
    Originally posted by Diivox
    I've been saying he'll never play again for months now. Not to piss you off again Archer because you got really angry at me last time I said it, but the reality is, we're talking about nerves regenerating in a neck, and by all accounts that hasnt happened yet. it hasnt happened in a year.
    He had his last surgery in September. So if by "year" you mean "not even half of a year" ... then sure.

    you don't keep 35 year old quarterbacks with neck injuries who have to learn an entirely new offensive system


    You're concerned that he won't be able to learn the offense? It's Peyton Manning dude.

    Anyway, Barry Petchesky at deadspin had a great take on this, and explains why Irsay has managed to dupe people like diivox into thinking parting with Manning is the only way ...

    Peyton Manning isn't throwing at full strength. This is a perfectly valid piece of news on its own, and it was relayed as such by Peter King on Sunday. But because it's news-less Super Bowl week, and the event is in Indianapolis, and the insatiable NFL monster has to be fed, we're bombarded with questionable sources reaching questionable conclusions till an informative little rehab update has turned into OMG Peyton Manning to retire!

    Jason Cole at Yahoo took Peter King's nugget and ran with it, speaking to "two sources with knowledge of Manning's rehabilitation" and two doctors "who [have] not seen Manning." Here is the fact: Manning hasn't shown improvement in his arm strength since he began throwing again in December. Here is the speculation: Everything besides that fact.

    We're supposed to infer that Manning has hit a plateau. And if he's plateaued, there's a chance he may not improve. And if he doesn't improve, it might be because his nerves aren't healing. And if his nerves haven't healing, there's a chance they may never heal. And if they never heal, there's a chance Manning may never play again.

    This is how you get headlines like "Peyton Manning Likely Will Never Play Football Again, Sources Say".

    One of the doctors Cole spoke to says "it can take up to a year to find out exactly how much strength you're going to get back," which should probably be a blaring klaxon in the face of speculation. Manning's most recent neck surgery took place in early September, meaning it hasn't quite been five months. Here is an accurate headline for a story that will not be passed around the Web: "Peyton Manning Not Radically Ahead Of Schedule In Rehab Bid."

    Is it troubling that Manning can't point to a radar gun as proof he'll be 100 percent for next season? Sure. It's extra troubling for Jim Irsay, who has to decide whether to wager Manning's upcoming scheduled $28 million payout on the unknowable, and has to place that bet within the next month. The expectation is that Irsay won't take the financial risk, although he's hyperaware of the bad PR that accompanies cutting a franchise player and fan favorite. Thus the Colts (sorry, "sources with knowledge of Manning's rehabilitation") are telling any reporter who'll listen how far behind Manning is on a rehab timetable that doesn't exist. Manning, for his part, told ESPN he's "just going to keep trying to get better, and so far I have."

    In a sane world, it would be enough to say that you want to cut your soon-to-be 36-year-old injured quarterback because he costs too much money and you're in position to draft a can't-miss replacement. In the world we actually live in, it requires calling up Peter King and telling him Manning's velocity isn't where it ought to be, then standing back and letting the media machine do the dirty work.

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    • Hasselbeck
      Jus' bout dat action boss
      • Feb 2009
      • 6175

      #17
      The "learning the offense" is pretty funny.. considering Manning IS the offense, and Bruce Arians worked with Peyton during his rookie year and the 2 seasons thereafter.

      The chatter from releasing him or retirement is just that.. chatter. Just like Favre watch, we won't know until it actually takes place. You'll hear he's going to retire, be cut, be traded, be a commentator, be a NY Jet, stay in Indy, etc.
      Originally posted by ram29jackson
      I already said months ago that Seattle wasn't winning any SB

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      • NAHSTE
        Probably owns the site
        • Feb 2009
        • 22233

        #18
        Report: Manning may never play again
        Manning: I will play again

        Peyton Manning, speaking at length for the first time since the 2011 season ended, told ESPN on Tuesday that he plans to return to football, but he and Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay have not discussed his future.

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        • Archer
          Go the fuck outside
          • Oct 2008
          • 15303

          #19
          Originally posted by Diivox
          I've been saying he'll never play again for months now. Not to piss you off again Archer because you got really angry at me last time I said it, but the reality is, we're talking about nerves regenerating in a neck, and by all accounts that hasnt happened yet. it hasnt happened in a year. by all accounts (except for his, and of course, what the hell do you expect him to say? "im hurt, so its ok if the colts dont pay me the 28 million bonus") he has still not recovered and there is no timetable for him doing so. he'll either heal, or he won't, and theres nothing that can be done about it.

          Of course Peyton is going to be like "im gonna get better" and "If its at all possible im going to play". and everyone called Irsay crazy in the thread where they talked about getting rid of him. you don't keep 35 year old quarterbacks with neck injuries who have to learn an entirely new offensive system and havent played football in a year who have made it clear that they want no part of the team if Andrew Luck is drafted (yeah, yeah, i know, Archie said that, but this is just like Favre's retire/unretire nonsense - these guys have been around the block enough to know how to manipulate the media and control the message that gets to it).

          0 reasons to keep the guy. It's football, you dont pay guys for the past, you pay them for the future. now dont turn into MrBill here Archer, this is a once in a generation opportunity for your team to make a clean break with a guy that was projected 1 overall before the season and did nothing to lose that status during it. Luck may not be Manning, but he's your best shot at being competetive 5 years from now. You know. when they are voting Manning into Canton on the first ballot.
          I've been saying he'll never play again for months now. Not to piss you off again Archer because you got really angry at me last time I said it
          I got angry because you acted like a doctor and wouldn't stop repeating yourself.

          he'll either heal, or he won't,
          He'll heal according to every doctor who has been asked about the issue. They just don't know when.

          0 reasons to keep the guy
          Except for the fact that he is a 4 time MVP and future HOF QB. Apart from that though... nothing.

          It's football, you dont pay guys for the past, you pay them for the future
          Nobody would be doing that. Peyton Manning was pretty damn good in his last healthy season and they'd only be paying him if he is able to repeat a similar performance.

          now dont turn into MrBill here Archer, this is a once in a generation opportunity for your team to make a clean break with a guy that was projected 1 overall before the season and did nothing to lose that status during it.
          First thing... Go fuck yourself.

          I'm actually excited over the possibility of Andrew Luck playing for the Colts.

          Luck may not be Manning, but he's your best shot at being competetive 5 years from now. You know. when they are voting Manning into Canton on the first ballot
          Do you have any idea when he plans to announce his retirement? Date and time would be nice so I can make sure to be near a tv.

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          • ram29jackson
            Noob
            • Nov 2008
            • 0

            #20
            Manning and his brother both say he is working on coming back,no matter what,no matter where

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            • EmpireWF
              Giants in the Super Bowl
              • Mar 2009
              • 24082

              #21
              Originally posted by ram29jackson
              Manning and his brother both say he is working on coming back,no matter what,no matter where
              Of course they're gonna say that.


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              • Tailback U
                No substitute 4 strength.
                • Nov 2008
                • 10282

                #22
                Originally posted by ram29jackson
                Manning and his brother both say he is working on coming back,no matter what,no matter where
                No shit.

                As of right now, it's obviously tough to predict whether or not he will play this season. If I had to put money on it, it looks like chances are slim of playing, though.

                And if he sits out 2 seasons, he will have surely declined by the time he comes back. If he doesn't get cleared to play, I think retiring makes sense for him.

                Those of you getting all wound up over speculations are funny. We are sports fans that post on message boards, read blogs, and play video games. This is part of your life. It has always has been and always will be because you are a slave to the money making machine that is the sport of football.

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                • NAHSTE
                  Probably owns the site
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 22233

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Tailback U
                  No shit.

                  As of right now, it's obviously tough to predict whether or not he will play this season. If I had to put money on it, it looks like chances are slim of playing, though.
                  Based on what? He's been throwing for a month now, he says he's getting better, his doctor said he's getting better, Joseph Addai said he's almost there ... stop believing the bullshit speculation based on unnamed "sources" ... There is nothing that points to him not playing again, Irsay is just being cheap.

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                  • ram29jackson
                    Noob
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 0

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Tailback U
                    No shit.

                    As of right now, it's obviously tough to predict whether or not he will play this season. If I had to put money on it, it looks like chances are slim of playing, though.

                    And if he sits out 2 seasons, he will have surely declined by the time he comes back. If he doesn't get cleared to play, I think retiring makes sense for him.

                    Those of you getting all wound up over speculations are funny. We are sports fans that post on message boards, read blogs, and play video games. This is part of your life. It has always has been and always will be because you are a slave to the money making machine that is the sport of football.
                    the first 2 paragraphs/sentences go one way and the 3rd goes the other way...make up yor mind LOL

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                    • BrntO4Life
                      My Aunt Ida Smokes.
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 6866

                      #25
                      This thread is full of nothing-masters and fuddy-duddies.

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                      • EmpireWF
                        Giants in the Super Bowl
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 24082

                        #26
                        Originally posted by NAHSTE
                        Based on what? He's been throwing for a month now, he says he's getting better, his doctor said he's getting better, Joseph Addai said he's almost there ... stop believing the bullshit speculation based on unnamed "sources" ... There is nothing that points to him not playing again, Irsay is just being cheap.
                        For everything you think about him being fine, there's reason to be concerned.

                        “It’s impossible to know going into it how long it will take. The reality is some people don’t recover it all,” Knaub said. “People may want to hear some definitive decision about whether or not he’ll be able to play, but it may just be too early to tell.”
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                        Fact is only his personal doctors know the deal and how his nerves are recovering.


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                        • Archer
                          Go the fuck outside
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 15303

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Tailback U
                          Those of you getting all wound up over speculations are funny. We are sports fans that post on message boards, read blogs, and play video games. This is part of your life. It has always has been and always will be because you are a slave to the money making machine that is the sport of football.
                          Way to lump everybody together.

                          Personally I try to avoid speculation in most cases because I'm not paid or trained to know these things and ESPN/"unnamed sources" have terrible track records when it comes to giving us the truth on most subjects.

                          Why can't people just let it play out?

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                          • Archer
                            Go the fuck outside
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 15303

                            #28
                            Originally posted by EmpireWF
                            For everything you think about him being fine, there's reason to be concerned.



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                            Fact is only his personal doctors know the deal and how his nerves are recovering.
                            Are you suggesting that we don't really know what's going on and possibly only Peyton and his doctors know the full story? Shocker.

                            I figured the un-named source held the truth to it all.

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                            • EmpireWF
                              Giants in the Super Bowl
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 24082

                              #29
                              lol @ getting pissed at the media for speculating about the health/future of one of the most popular players of our generation.


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                              • Archer
                                Go the fuck outside
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 15303

                                #30
                                Originally posted by EmpireWF
                                lol @ getting pissed at the media for speculating about the health/future of one of the most popular players of our generation.
                                Way to miss the point... again.

                                The media is paid to speculate about it. We don't have to buy into it or we could just wait until Manning/his doctor/Irsay give us further information.

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