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[FirstTimer]

I don't think it's the mere act of "flipping" a kid. Don't be that naive. Coaches know that shit can and will happen. I'm sure this isn't the first time that Bielema and Dantonio have had a kid decommit and go elsewhere.

It's how the other coach is doing it that's the issue.

Come on. I know you want to circle the wagons around Meyer but don't bury your head in the sand as to what these coaches mean.

[Atlas]

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[BrntO4Life]

I don't think it's the mere act of "flipping" a kid. Don't be that naive. Coaches know that shit can and will happen. I'm sure this isn't the first time that Bielema and Dantonio have had a kid decommit and go elsewhere.

It's how the other coach is doing it that's the issue.

Come on. I know you want to circle the wagons around Meyer but don't bury your head in the sand as to what these coaches mean.

This is SB we're talking about. No one is better at playing the ostrich.

[Sportsbuck]

Come on. I know you want to circle the wagons around Meyer but don't bury your head in the sand as to what these coaches mean.

Get over yourself. I've fully acknowledged Meyer's shady tactics in the past, and I'm not naiive enough to believe he's all of a sudden Mr. Clean.

Among certain B10 coaches, there used to be a gentleman's agreement to not target committed recruits. That doesn't exist anymore.

This is SB we're talking about. No one is better at playing the ostrich.

Incredible how people still think I'm the 15 year old homer from MM.

[BrntO4Life]

Incredible how people still think I'm the 15 year old homer from MM.

The bad part is that you don't even have to make me think that. It spills out of most posts you make. It is what it is. I'm neither offended nor disapprove of it.

[FirstTimer]

Get over yourself.

LOL at this.

How about you get over yourself and quit being a niave idiot about stuff like this.

Do you honestly think Wiscy and MSU have never had commits flip before?

If your answer is "no" and they never raised a stink then..what do you think changed now? Perhaps the unethical stuff they are referring to?

You trying to paint their comments as them just being asshurt over a kid decommiting is absurdly inaccurate and everyone but you seems to realize it.

No surprise there.

[Sportsbuck]

You guys want the background on how Urban Meyer flipped guys? Here goes, straight from the premium boards.

Taylor Decker:

When Urban got hired, he called Decker and inquired about his interest, and Decker basically said that unless there are major changes he was going to stick to his ND commitment. A month passes with no contact, and then Hinton/Warinner end up in Columbus. Decker calls up Urban and says he is interested and wants to take an official, and commits before he left that weekend.

Se'Von Pittman

Pittman was the epitome of a kid that wanted to be a Buckeye but was scared away by the scandal and Tressel's firing. He wanted to be a Buckeye all along but felt that the situation in Columbus was too toxic at the time to get involved with it. When Urban was hired, things changed. Urban calls Se'Von to inquire about his interest, and Se'Von said that yes he was absolutely interested and that he wanted to be a Buckeye.

Kyle Dodson (this is what I said to PM me about it earlier, but screw it I'm posting it)

The recruitment of Kyle Dodson is a little bit of a greek tragedy---with heroes, villians and lots of subplots.....


What makes this interesting--to me--is that I've been able to get USC's complete viewpoint on this---so we kinda have both sides...


This should have been a layup for Ohio State. Kyle Dodson is a kid who grew up an Ohio State fan---was raised in a pro-OSU environment---and dreamed about playing for the Buckeyes since he grew into his body, and saw football as an stepping stone to college.


Imagine his surprise when he was informed by his head coach Jeff Rotsky that Ohio State wasn't that interested in him. Rotsky(one of our heroes) is VERY pro-Ohio State....and unashamed in his respect for the program. He is also the head of the high net worth divison for Morgan Stanley--so this is no country bumpkin. Rotsky dug deeper with Ohio State and got back a series of excuses "they are still evaluating" "they have concerns about grades" etc etc etc But the bottom line, was "no offer for Kyle".


Enter Dontez Sanders---Dontez(brother of former OSU player Darnell Sanders) has never gotten over the fact that he wasn't recruited by Ohio State. Ever. He hates the Buckeyes, and never misses an opportunity to say a bad word about them(think Hooley). Dontez took this opportunity to inject Wisconsin into the mix. He took Kyle on visits up there, propped them whenever he could, and basically took great pleasure in the uncertainty that was swirling around OSU in light of Tressel's departure, and the interim status of Fickell.


Ultimately, OSU learned of Dodson's intention of commiting to the Badgers and rushed a last minute offer up to Kyle---but to no avail. Dodson was a Badger.


Immediately upon doing it, however, Kyle started having second thoughts. Maybe things weren't going to end all that badly for OSU(like Dontez was telling him) ? The Wiski assistant coaches even started dropping hints to him that they may not be long for the world, and that things weren't all that great up in Madison. At this point--and LONG before people knew---Dodson cooled on Wiski---and was NOT going to sign with them.


But where to go??? Enter USC....Ed Orgeron made initial contact and made a very compelling pitch for Dodson to take a look at the West Coast. Better weather. Beautiful girls. Success getting Olinemen to the league. Getting off probation. Aundrey Walker. It all sounded so good---and USC starting becoming a dark horse in the race.


Urban Meyer signing on with OSU swung everything back. Meyer is a rockstar. One of his first calls was to Dodson---"we want you" "we need you" "Ohio kids need to stay in state". The official visit with the other recruits was intoxicating, Dodson almost publically committed on the spot--but decided to hold off. But who would be the Oline coach?? so many questions....and USC was in his ear daily exploiting that uncertainty. Things were very confusing.


Then came time for the inhome visits. "In home" for Dodson meant at Rotsky's house---as Kyle lives with his grandma, and things are a little tight. The visit was an "11"--better than he could have ever dreamed. At one point Meyer looked him right in the eyes and told him how much he cared about him as a person. That REALLY resonated with Kyle.


The USC visit was different. Upbeat, exciting--but as Kiffen was leaving he said something in passing to the effect of "you matter to us, but at Ohio state your just another piece of meat". As soon as Kiffen said that he knew he had blown it. He told Orgeron on the plane, "I think I just screwed that up".


The next day Dodson decided to go down--one more time to Ohio State---just to be sure. He was.


Monday night he called all the coaches and told them of his intentions. He was nervous about it, but it felt right.


Wednesday he announced---in the most spectacular way possible---and all is right with the world.

The Penn State guys (Schutt, Cameron Williams, and Armani Reeves) all would've ended up in Happy Valley if not for the scandal. When that happened, they started looking around.

David Perkins & Joey O'Connor were uncommitted at the time.

[Champ]

Urban is dirty through and through

[FirstTimer]

Blah blah blah..

Oh great! MEssage board shit!

No one cares.

Obviously Wiscy and MSU felt there was something more to it all.

LOL at using message boards to back up an argument dealing with recruiting.

[BrntO4Life]

I have no dog in this fight, but premium message boards are a massive scam. It blows my mind that anyone would consider wasting their money on that shit.

As soon as Jesus Shuttlesworth went premium at Inside Texas, I laughed. $100/year for stuff I can hear a day later? Premium boards are for dorks who like to feel they're a part of something important.

[FirstTimer]

Get over myself?

"I have an $100 a year subscription to a message board! Here's all the "facts" from said message board! Want inside info? PM me"

Save it.

[Sportsbuck]

I see no difference between having a subscription to a premium message board and having a subscription to SI or ESPN.

I used to have subscriptions to both SI and ESPN, and I would hardly read them and it's not like there's a lot of great information.

At Scout, I can get up to date information on recruiting and about tOSU's program.

[FirstTimer]

I see no difference between having a subscription to a premium message board and having a subscription to SI or ESPN.

None of which I have.

[BrntO4Life]

Why bother having a subscription to any of them? None of them have particularly pertinent information.

Even what I got out of Recruitocosm wasn't all that insightful. I knew a trick play or two that they would run every week and I knew which 18 year-old was hot and bothered by Texas... so what? It's all just pandering to the idea that you can tell friends and enemies alike "I told you so!" when something you "knew" would happen does, in fact, occur.

All of the dudes that run that stuff are massive tools, too. The nonstop bickering between Texas insiders at Rivals, 24/7, and Inside Texas is hilarious.

[FirstTimer]

Why bother having a subscription to any of them? None of them have particularly pertinent information.

Even what I got out of Recruitocosm wasn't all that insightful. I knew a trick play or two that they would run every week and I knew which 18 year-old was hot and bothered by Texas... so what? It's all just pandering to the idea that you can tell friends and enemies alike "I told you so!" when something you "knew" would happen does, in fact, occur.

All of the dudes that run that stuff are massive tools, too. The nonstop bickering between Texas insiders at Rivals, 24/7, and Inside Texas is hilarious.

I'm still mildly creeped out by Urban Meyer starting into an 18 year olds eyes and telling him that he "cares a lot of about him as a person".

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