Brady sucks now

[Liquidrob]

People, no one is saying Brady is the GOAT or was this great performer in every SB he won. This is the issue though, because many of you believe that in order to be considered great a player has to not only play well, but also win the game. If he plays well and loses the SB than he didn't do enough. However, that sort of logic doesn't take into account all of the other factors that come into play. SB wins and losses don't always boil down to what the QB does or doesnt' do. My only point is that you shouldn't be a prisoner of the moment and claim Brady isn't what we thought he was simply because his team loss 2 superbowls due to plays that were out of his control.

The question is this

Is Tom Brady "Mr Clutch"?

Do we have to keep hearing that Brady is a killer in the playoffs? He is automatic late in the game? Is he the most feared QB when you need a play? and so on

Who is the better playoff QB, Brady or Warner? Brady of the last couple years or Money Manning?

YOU DECIDE

[FirstTimer]

Defenses are going to give up points in today's NFL. Offenses need to score more than 14 points.

Yawn.

Had Tyree not had stickum on his helmet 14 points would have been fine. Asante holds onto a football. 14 points is fine.

[FirstTimer]

The question is this

Is Tom Brady "Mr Clutch"?

Do we have to keep hearing that Brady is a killer in the playoffs? He is automatic late in the game? Is he the most feared QB when you need a play? and so on

Who is the better playoff QB, Brady or Warner? Brady of the last couple years or Money Manning?

YOU DECIDE

If I need a QB to win a game with one drive. I take Brady long before I even look towards Eli. Eli isn't even one of my top 4 choices. Playoffs or not.

[ralaw]

The question is this

Is Tom Brady "Mr Clutch"?

Do we have to keep hearing that Brady is a killer in the playoffs? He is automatic late in the game? Is he the most feared QB when you need a play? and so on

Who is the better playoff QB, Brady or Warner? Brady of the last couple years or Money Manning?

YOU DECIDE

The question is do we have to hear that about anyone when most of you decide it based on whether a player wins the SB or not? Right now I'm hearing Eli is the best in the NFL, because he won....next year it will be a different person I'm sure.....it would be cool if the 49ers won, so that we could hear about how Alex Smith is the new Mr. Clutch.

[bucky]

It would have been more than enough had Tyree not made a miracle grab or Asante holds onto a pick.

And if Brady doesn't throw the 4th QTR pick. You're playing a what if game.

So yes. That's enough.

14-17 points isn't enough unless your D is playing lights out.

Wrong.

No one else was out there.

The defense was.

Tough shit.

The defense didn't throw the 4th QTR pick (while having great field position). That's putting a lot of pressure on your defense. Too much pressure on your defense.

I'm not putting all the blame on the defense. Read the thread again.

You seem to be blaming the defense and taking all responsibility from the QB. All shag and I are saying is that a 4th QTR int and only 14-17 points from you offense does affect the GOAT legacy of the QB. Making it to the SB is quite an accomplishment, so it's not like NE hasn't done anything since the SB wins, but there playoff losses have an affect on a teams and players legacy. Especially when the offense doesn't score much in this offense happy/score fest league of today.

The hell does this have to do with anything?

A 4th QTR int puts a lot of pressure on your defense. And when you only score 14-17 points for the entire game, it's even more added pressure on the defense. Has a lot to do with "anything".

[Liquidrob]

Alex Smith aka MR WONDERLIC

[FirstTimer]

And if Brady doesn't throw the 4th QTR pick. You're playing a what if game.

Duh. Really?

14-17 points isn't enough unless your D is playing lights out.

Or if Welker doesn't drop a pass or if Tyeee doesn't make a fucking miracle grab.

The defense didn't throw the 4th QTR pick (while having great field position).

Ok?

And? New York stil didn't have the lead. Didn't take the lead off of it etc etc etc.

That's putting a lot of pressure on your defense. Too much pressure on your defense.

Aww poor New Englands defense. Finally having to make a play after a season of shit.

Yawn.


You're miss the point anyways.

You seem to be blaming the defense and taking all responsibility from the QB.

Wrong.

It's clear you have no idea what the hell is going on.

Read again.

Try again.

Thanks.

[Bear Pand]

Only because the Pats lost?

This is my issue. I can understand if Brady played a horrible game, but he didn't. In the two SB loses he is 56/89, 542 YDS, 3 TD 1int....those aren't the stats of a guy who has struggled. How does going to 2 SBs negatively affect a player's legacy? Maybe he would have been better to of not gone to the SBs at all, because then most of you wouldn't be overrating his loss as much.

This is my issue with most of you. Take even Kurt Warner. If Dyson scores that TD (stopped at the 1-yard line) Warner is 0-3 in SB's..if Holmes doesn't get his toes down he's 2-1....instead he's 1-2, but if everything worked in his favor he's 3-0. Does his legacy change, yes, because many of you would be claiming he's so "clutch" and a "big game winner" when his performance never even changes.

Kurt Warner is/was the best playoff QB this generation.

And the 2007 Patriots were the highest scoring offense off all time. So yes them scoring 14 in the SB is a failure.

[bucky]

Yawn.

Had Tyree not had stickum on his helmet 14 points would have been fine. Asante holds onto a football. 14 points is fine.

if, if, if. 14 points wasn't enough, neither was 17. You're playing the Mr. Bill game. If GB doesn't give up the 4th and 26, Favre doesn't throw the OT int.

If Tyree doesn't make the catch, 14 points is enough.

If Brady doesn't throw the 4th QTR int this year, the NE defense might not have been in the position to lose the game.

All we are saying is, the 4th QTR int, in the SB, has an affect on a QB's "GOAT" legacy. Scoring 14-17 points in SB loses, does have an affect on the QB's "GOAT" legacy. If the QB has outstanding performances in the games and loses, his legacy isn't affected or it's enhanced. But 14-17 points? Int in the 4th QTR? That does.

[bucky]

If I need a QB to win a game with one drive. I take Brady long before I even look towards Eli. Eli isn't even one of my top 4 choices. Playoffs or not.

I take Bart Starr, but I'm a bit of a homer.

[bucky]

The question is do we have to hear that about anyone when most of you decide it based on whether a player wins the SB or not? Right now I'm hearing Eli is the best in the NFL, because he won....next year it will be a different person I'm sure.....it would be cool if the 49ers won, so that we could hear about how Alex Smith is the new Mr. Clutch.

Who is saying that Eli is the best QB in the NFL? He has shown to be "clutch" in the 4th QTR and in big games. Gotta give him that. He has shown he can win big games with 2 SB victories. And he had to come from behind in both. That says something. But I would take Brees, Rodgers over Eli right now. Though the Giants can definitely win with Eli.

[FirstTimer]

I was talking about the 2 super bowl games in which Brady did not play up to his numbers those years.

LOL at this.

How many QBs have done this in the Super Bowl?

I've already stated that QB's will have a harder time moving the ball in the playoffs, but in the 2 super bowl games he was not playing a defense the caliber of the 02 Bucs or 01 Ravens.

Umm ok?

So what?

I never amde it seem he was facing juggernauts. So you have no point.

Again.

but again he wasn't as good as he could of been in those 2 games

Ok. And I never said otherwise.

You're just rambling now.

Saying nothing.

if, if, if. 14 points wasn't enough, neither was 17.

If if if Welcome to the thread.

You're playing the Mr. Bill game. If GB doesn't give up the 4th and 26, Favre doesn't throw the OT int.

Favre throwing or not throwing an INT(which you already said a QB has complete control of) =/= to Welker dropping a pass, Tyree making an abusrd catch, Samuels dropping a pick or the defense in general letting down on the final drive.

Bad example is bad

[ralaw]

Who is saying that Eli is the best QB in the NFL? He has shown to be "clutch" in the 4th QTR and in big games. Gotta give him that. He has shown he can win big games with 2 SB victories. And he had to come from behind in both. That says something. But I would take Brees, Rodgers over Eli right now. Though the Giants can definitely win with Eli.

When I say the best I'm referring to "most clutch," "big game winner," etc the typical cliches that people like to use or have been using in threads I've seen.

BTW, I'm not sure if you're aware, but you left Brady out of who you'd take over Eli right now.

[FirstTimer]

Who is saying that Eli is the best QB in the NFL? He has shown to be "clutch" in the 4th QTR and in big games. Gotta give him that. He has shown he can win big games with 2 SB victories. And he had to come from behind in both. That says something. But I would take Brees, Rodgers over Eli right now. Though the Giants can definitely win with Eli.

Yeah, Eli came up so "big" in these big games he was trailing Tom Brady both times who was playing, by most idiots accounts here, pretty marginally.

So Eli came up "big" by outplaying a QB who wasn't playing well and needed last ditch drives to do so.

And he's being elevated for that?

LULZ.

You can't sit here and downplay what Brady did and point out how disappointingly he played then elevate Eli at the same time for beating him.

Makes no sense.

[ralaw]

Yeah, Eli came up so "big" in these big game he was trailing Tom Brady who was playing by most idiots accounts here pretty marginally.

So Eli came up "big" by outplaying a QB who wasn't playing well and needed last dtch drives to do so.

And he's being elevated for that?

LULZ.

You can't sit here and downplay what Brady did and point out how disappointingly he played then elevate Eli at the same time for beating him.

Makes no sense.

Logic isn't always logical.....wait a minute.....