Met Tom Moore at a coaching clinic today...

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  • DSpydr84
    I need a sub
    • Oct 2008
    • 2605

    Met Tom Moore at a coaching clinic today...

    He was speaking at Jim McNally's coaching clinic in Buffalo today. He had some pretty good stuff, most notably the calls at the line that he and Peyton Manning used for so many years at Indy. A few other facts that I found interesting:


    -- During most of his stay in Indianapolis, he used two formations. Two. One was a 2x2 formation from singleback with the slot receiver away from the tight end, the other was a 3x1 (trips) formation from singleback with the slot receiver on the same side as the tight end.

    No motion (except maybe a short motion to get off man-press), no fullback, no gimmicks. The only variation on these formations would be using them from Shotgun for pass-protection purposes. In a league that claims to be so complex, Moore kept it unbelievably simple.

    -- He did not have an "X" and a "Z" receiver; he had a left and a right receiver. Reggie Wayne was always on the left of the formation, and Marvin Harrison was always on the right.

    -- Indianapolis had 6 running plays. Outside zone strong, outside zone weak, inside zone strong, inside zone weak, inside trap, and a draw.

    -- During Marvin Harrison's 143 catch season, 67 of them came from one play. It was a 5-yard in route in a play that they called "H-Dig". This is still a staple of the offense, and 97% of the time it's called (a statistic that Moore found out through looking at it), they throw to the 5-yard in.

    -- He admitted that the 2005 divisional playoff game against the Steelers was the worst coaching job he'd ever done, and that game redefined the way he pass protected against the 3-4 defense.

    -- He mentioned Peyton Manning and how he made him a better coach. Manning not only worked hard at his craft, but he expected answers. He wanted answers, to everything. If they do this, what am I doing? Where am I going?

    Another thing I found interesting is Manning wasn't satisfied with the traditional hot read. Normally during a hot read, when the QB reads the blitz he hits the receiver behind it. Manning didn't like it. He didn't want to get hit; he didn't want a guy to come in free and get a shot on him. They redefined how they called protections at the line so that Manning could always block the guys he wanted to have blocked. Moore left it up to Peyton to get it right. He usually did.
  • Senser81
    VSN Poster of the Year
    • Feb 2009
    • 12804

    #2
    Did you finally learn the intricicies of zone blocking?

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    • EmpireWF
      Giants in the Super Bowl
      • Mar 2009
      • 24082

      #3
      Too bad none of that worked for Mark Sanchez.


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      • Rblake
        ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
        • Jul 2009
        • 1365

        #4
        Cool info. Didn't know most of it.

        Did he say if Peyton is staying with the Colts? I'm sure someone asked, because Schefter and LaCrapfora were probably there disguised as intrigued coaches.

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        • DSpydr84
          I need a sub
          • Oct 2008
          • 2605

          #5
          Originally posted by Rblake
          Cool info. Didn't know most of it.

          Did he say if Peyton is staying with the Colts? I'm sure someone asked, because Schefter and LaCrapfora were probably there disguised as intrigued coaches.
          He didn't mention it, but before he started anything he asked if there were any media present. I guess nobody had the balls to find out after that.

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          • NAHSTE
            Probably owns the site
            • Feb 2009
            • 22233

            #6
            The relatively small number of plays doesn't surprise me. Having a limited playbook that you execute every time is better than being multiple just for the sake of it. If you have good players you just let them operate.

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            • Mogriffjr
              aka Reece
              • Apr 2009
              • 2759

              #7
              Originally posted by EmpireWF
              Too bad none of that worked for Mark Sanchez.
              ASS

              as I see here, Moore was someone who kept it simple meanwhile you have Schottenheimer who was unbelievably complex in his playcalling system.

              Now imagine having these two in a room with Rex who's dylexic and Sanchez who's still young. Disaster.
              Originally posted by Nick Mangold
              Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate.

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              • DSpydr84
                I need a sub
                • Oct 2008
                • 2605

                #8
                Originally posted by Mogriffjr
                ASS

                as I see here, Moore was someone who kept it simple meanwhile you have Schottenheimer who was unbelievably complex in his playcalling system.

                Now imagine having these two in a room with Rex who's dylexic and Sanchez who's still young. Disaster.
                He didn't directly call out Schottenheimer, but he was talking a lot about this and how he didn't like motion for pass protection reasons. He said how difficult it was to identify the Mike LB because there's no telling how the defense will react to the motion. Sometimes they slide, sometimes they run across, sometimes the safety's rotate, etc. You can really turn it into some "complicated shit" (his words) for your quarterback.

                There was a time in Indianapolis where he ran a guy in motion, and the defender followed him (so he/Manning thought it was man coverage). Well the defender ended up blitzing and lit Manning up in the back. Nobody picked him up in pass protection because they identified the front wrong. He said he'd never use motion again after that. To him, it was impossible to organize pass protection schemes.

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                • OnlyOneBeerLeft
                  Fuck em
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 10430

                  #9
                  Im going to this clinic next month should be pretty decent...



                  There is one the following week I believe in Massachusetts that Chip Kelly will be attending may go to that one too

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                  • Aso
                    The Serious House
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 11137

                    #10
                    Would be awesome to go to one of these coaching clinics. Too bad I'm not a coach.

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                    • ThunderHorse
                      Grind.
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 2702

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DSpydr84
                      -- During most of his stay in Indianapolis, he used two formations. Two. One was a 2x2 formation from singleback with the slot receiver away from the tight end, the other was a 3x1 (trips) formation from singleback with the slot receiver on the same side as the tight end.

                      No motion (except maybe a short motion to get off man-press), no fullback, no gimmicks. The only variation on these formations would be using them from Shotgun for pass-protection purposes. In a league that claims to be so complex, Moore kept it unbelievably simple.

                      -- Indianapolis had 6 running plays. Outside zone strong, outside zone weak, inside zone strong, inside zone weak, inside trap, and a draw.
                      I miss Edgerrin James.

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