Saints Defense maintained a Bounty Program

[DSpydr84]

People still bringing up football being violent as if it's relevant to anything?

I don't care if it's Golf, Tennis, Football or idiots skating on youtube, anyone in their right mind doesn't want to watch athletes getting injured. Bounty's promote injury...why would any sane person be cool with this?

It doesn't matter what people want to watch. It's about winning at all costs.

I'd be all for this idea if I was a player. So I guess I'm crazy.

EDIT: I guess to add to my point... if a defensive coordinator identifies a play his opponent likes to run, and he sets up a defense that will be able to see a player crossing the field and he puts one of his guys in position and he tells his guy when they install the play, "I want you to hit this guy so fucking hard that he can't even see straight". How is that any different than a guy talking to one of his teammates saying "if that guy crosses, hurt the MFer".

What's the number one way to stop the option? Beat the shit out of the quarterback and make him either not want to run or make the coach not want to call plays where he runs. Just because it's not called a "bounty" doesn't make it not real. That's why we keep bringing up violence. It's a part of the game. It's not a part of golf or tennis like you mentioned above. People are going to get hit, and people are going to get hurt.

[bucky]

Um bounties for a player knocking another player out for the game and putting a player on a cart.

Not an issue for player's health at all.

I don't think the NFL can prevent bounties, but it should made aware to the teams that is illegal, and picks, coaches, and cap space should be lost for violating the bounty rules.

And, give fines and suspensions for illegal hits. Why would anyone get worked up over legal hits? And if a hit is dirty, but somehow legal, change the rules to make that illegal as well.

I don't have a problem with teams being penalized by the NFL for bounties.

I also don't have a problem with teams having incentive pools for good, clean plays (TD's, third down stops, fumbles caused, fumbles recovered, ints, good clean hits, etc).

Or penalty pools for bad plays (dropped passes, fumbles, blown assignments, etc).

You don't think Bounty's will go away. I think you can reduce them by making them ineffective. I still say, who is going to chose to pick up an extra $1000 to be part of a bounty program just to lose hundreds of thousands to millions and miss 3, 8 games or an entire season?

And you didn't answer my question.

[bucky]

He thinks stiffer fines and penalties for illegal hits will make bounties go away.
Because, I guess, collecting bounties on legal hits is ok.
yeah, I know

LOL, criticism coming from someone that doesn't understand Innocent until proven guilty really doesn't mean much.

I saw your Braun slander post. How ironic that you are doing in that post what you are accusing Braun of doing, slander. SMH.

[Tailback U]

People still bringing up football being violent as if it's relevant to anything?

I don't care if it's Golf, Tennis, Football or idiots skating on youtube, anyone in their right mind doesn't want to watch athletes getting injured. Bounty's promote injury...why would any sane person be cool with this?

This video has 13.5 million hits on youtube.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Y9wt3XkHo"]Huge football hit - YouTube[/ame]

This is college football, where players aren't paid to do anything, yet the entire Auburn sideline is celebrating after the hit like they just won the Super Bowl. Rosegreen, the guy who makes the hit, takes his helmet off and is celebrating like he just killed a lion with his bare hands.

The game is 17-0 in the 3rd quarter. It wasn't close. They hadn't won yet. Reggie Brown is laying there dead and everyone in the stadium is cheering.

Please try to sit there and tell me with a straight face that people don't enjoy watching this shit and being a part of it.

The point is that Junior Rosegreen wasn't paid to go out and injure Reggie Brown. He did that for fun. It's funny to me that some of you seem to think that doing it for money is worse than doing it for fun.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying you are wrong.

Now before you groan me, please try to at least argue my point.

[Houston]

"I want you to hit this guy so fucking hard that he can't even see straight". How is that any different than a guy talking to one of his teammates saying "if that guy crosses, hurt the MFer".
What's the number one way to stop the option? Beat the shit out of the quarterback and make him either not want to run or make the coach not want to call plays where he runs. Just because it's not called a "bounty" doesn't make it not real. That's why we keep bringing up violence.

So what's the point of having the bounty's in the first place? If it makes no difference.

[young2rice]

^^^ isn't that an illegal leading w/ helmet-to-helmet hit? (on a defenseless receiver)

[Tailback U]

^^^ isn't that an illegal leading w/ helmet-to-helmet hit?

Illegal now, not then. Some people would call it cheap and dirty, though.

Of course, he didn't mean to do it. He wasn't trying to hurt Brown. And he certainly didn't enjoy it.

[Fappin Raptor]

^^^ isn't that an illegal leading w/ helmet-to-helmet hit?

It's ok, it wasn't illegal then. Slavery also wasn't illegal at one point.

[Houston]

Reggie Brown is laying there dead and everyone in the stadium is cheering.

And you....see nothing wrong with this?

[Warner2BruceTD]

I think the point is that football is a violent game. I know people who played just to hit people. Some of the greatest defenders in the game are crazy MFers.

Key word being violent. It is not a contact sport, it's a collision sport.

How often in the locker room would you hear a guy say "I'm gonna knock this guy out" or "I can't wait to hit so-and-so". Well, these guys aren't in high school anymore and they have money to play with, so it turns into a wager.

Is it wrong? I'll be honest with you, if I still played, it'd be a fun little bet. If that makes me crazy, so be it. You have to be crazy to play football. You have to. There's nothing normal about running full speed into a guy that's running full speed at you.

Not speaking to W2B personally, but I think as a whole we are seriously undermining how violent the game is. These are not normal people. These aren't guys who have clean jump shots or a smooth swing. The object of the game is to stop another HUMAN BEING through physical force from taking a ball across your goal-line. No other sport even compares to the amount of violence, or has violence as a main objective of achieving your goal (except fighting).

I'm not saying the NFL should allow it, but again, for more than half the players in the league, the thrill of the game is getting to hit people. It's not juking, not throwing a good ball, it's knocking a guy the fuck out. That is the nature of the sport. Whether the NFL wants that image, it does not matter. Players who play are violent, aggressive dudes. They want to impose their will. I don't think that will ever change, no matter what they try to do to stop it. And quite frankly, I hope it doesn't.

This is a well thought out post, and all of this is a more sane way of saying what the insane Tailback has been saying, but no offense, none of it is relevant to the issue of bounties.

None of this condones putting up money in exchange for injuring people. That concept should not exist is a civilized society, no matter how much testosterone filled joy you feel when you watch football. It is mutually exclusive from enjoying hard hitting football.

Both bucky & Tailback have stated in this thread that they have no problem with human bounties in the game, provided there are no illegal hits happening. That is absurd on multiple levels, and I cant believe i've wasted all of this time debating that type of nonsensical drivel.

Sorry, but you guys are woefully off base.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I'm a Miami Hurricane and I approve of the bounty system.

[bucky]

Both bucky & Tailback have stated in this thread that they have no problem with human bounties in the game, provided there are no illegal hits happening.

If it's a legal hit, it's not a Bounty. It's an incentive for a good clean play.
Bounty for illegal hits out to hurt someone, bad.
Player pool for good clean hits, who cares.
There's a huge difference.

[Tailback U]

This is a well thought out post, and all of this is a more sane way of saying what the insane Tailback has been saying, but no offense, none of it is relevant to the issue of bounties.

None of this condones putting up money in exchange for injuring people. That concept should not exist is a civilized society, no matter how much testosterone filled joy you feel when you watch football. It is mutually exclusive from enjoying hard hitting football.

Both bucky & Tailback have stated in this thread that they have no problem with human bounties in the game, provided there are no illegal hits happening. That is absurd on multiple levels, and I cant believe i've wasted all of this time debating that type of nonsensical drivel.

Sorry, but you guys are woefully off base.

I have no problem with bounties because I really don't think they make a difference on the bottom line.

Bottom line is that Player A is going to hit Player B as hard as he possibly can and try to hurt him. He was going to do it for fun, now he is also getting paid to do it. Of course he's going to take the money for something that he was going to do already.

Why is it acceptable for someone to do this for fun but now all of a sudden it's not ok because he gets a cash incentive for doing it? You are fine with them doing it for fun, but if they get cash for it now all of a sudden it's morally/ethically wrong to you? How does that make sense? The intention is already there, with or without money.

Again, the bounty isn't making or breaking these guys attitudes towards each other. They are going to hit each other and try to lay each other out just because they flat out enjoy it.

How you can disagree that these guys don't enjoy lighting each other up is beyond me. I can post a million clips of guys celebrating after making huge hits, inflicting pain and hurt on another man, and you'll still sit there and some how try to tell me that they don't enjoy doing it. It's laughable.

I think this is where we disagree. You actually think that players don't enjoy hitting each other as hard as they possibly can and hurting them. I do.

Here's the scenario:

Jonathan Vilma: $10k to the guy that knocks out Favre.

Will Smith: Shit I was going to try to do that anyway but I'll gladly take your money if you want me to.

I'm not saying it's ok or should be allowed or that it is right.

I'm saying it doesn't make a difference and if it doesn't make a difference then I personally don't care whether or not it is in the game, but the NFL should definitely ban it because it looks bad.

[DSpydr84]

This is a well thought out post, and all of this is a more sane way of saying what the insane Tailback has been saying, but no offense, none of it is relevant to the issue of bounties.

None of this condones putting up money in exchange for injuring people. That concept should not exist is a civilized society, no matter how much testosterone filled joy you feel when you watch football. It is mutually exclusive from enjoying hard hitting football.

Both bucky & Tailback have stated in this thread that they have no problem with human bounties in the game, provided there are no illegal hits happening. That is absurd on multiple levels, and I cant believe i've wasted all of this time debating that type of nonsensical drivel.

Sorry, but you guys are woefully off base.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that football is not a civilized game. Like I mentioned earlier, if I were to run up to you walking down the street and knocked you off your ass, I would go to jail.

It's such a fine line to me. Like here's a perfect example:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUPrI8sI63A"]Alabama's Mark Barron levels Vanderbilt's Jordan Rodgers 10/8/2011 - YouTube[/ame]

Mark Barron's run fit is DESIGNED for him to light this guy up. His job is to fill in a spot where if the LB can't make it, the QB is trapped and he's got a free shot.

But Alabama doesn't pay players for big hits (as far as we know ). So where's the line? Is it because they paid people, or is it because they injured people?

I get that it's not natural. But football isn't natural. That's not a macho comment, it's a fact. There's nothing normal about the game. Hitting people and injuring people is a part of the deal. Williams wants big hits, so to make it objective, he said injure a guy.

[Tailback U]

And you....see nothing wrong with this?

When did I ever say that?

Serious question, do you know how to read? Or is "GROAN" the only word you understand?

Only asking because I know you are black.