Saints Defense maintained a Bounty Program

[EmpireWF]

But if I say "hey, we're gonna reward you for a big hit on the QB", and we continuously blitz and kill your QB all night, that's not ok.

blockheads, the lot of you.

It's not for a plain old BIG HIT, it's for INJURING.

[Tailback U]

Yes, because removing bounty's is gonna completely change the sport. God knows how football would survive without them.

And ironically(but not surprisingly), Tailback U thanked this post when he himself just previously said that it doesn't make a difference rather or not they're allowed.




You guys have fun.

You're an idiot. I thanked his post because he said that if you want to completely remove bounties and the entire concept of guys trying to hurt one another then you have to dramatically change the sport.

You can remove bounties all you want, guys are still going to go out and try to hurt each other. If you want to remove that, then you have to change the sport.

Please learn to read. I don't think you've successfully comprehended a single post in this entire thread. You groan people left and right without engaging in the conversation and when you do you have no concept of what is actually being said.

In other words, you're a fucking idiot.

[EmpireWF]

uh oh, REPS FLYING BACK AND FORTH LIKE SOMEONE'S TRYING TO SEND BACK CHICKEN SOUP @ A DELI!

getting heated now.

[Tailback U]

blockheads, the lot of you.

It's not for a plain old BIG HIT, it's for INJURING.

Please show me some evidence of the Saints intent to injure under the bounty program.

Please, any, Just one fucking clip. Just one quote. Something. Anything.

Can you do this? No. So shut up already. All of you. :olhoss:

[bucky]

So then what is your argument in this thread? I read through some of your post and I can't find a clear one.

I had a couple purposes:

Wanted to irritate Warner and see just how many times I could get him to groan posts.

And I did sum things up in an earlier post but here we go:

I don't have a problem with player run incentive programs for impact plays, which is something different than bounty's to injure players. I can make that distinction.

Bounty's to injure players is unethical, and I don't have a problem with the league cracking down on them. But this is something that has existed since the beginning of football and is a systemic problem. It's been part of the process. It's not just a Saints thing. The problem is much bigger. Problem goes way beyond Gregg Williams. LOL at the over the top, scum of the earth, not fit to live, POS human being reaction some have to Gregg Williams. I don't want him as a coach for GB. But I might not want Dom Capers as a coach for GB if I knew more about him.

I question the effectiveness of bounty's because the refs can hand out personal fouls and ejections over illegal hits, and the league can hand out fines and suspensions for illegal hits. If this currently does nothing to deter bounty's then increase the fines and suspensions. At some point, the fines and suspensions make the few $'s and time missed over bounty's not worth the bounty program which makes the bounty programs become functionally irrelevant.

If there are dirty hits that are still legal, then change the rules so these hits are illegal and the refs and league can penalize the now illegal hits.

Because bounty's have existed since the conception of football, and that it is a systemic problem that has been part of the process for so many decades, and because I question the actual effectiveness of bounty programs, I'm shocked at what I think is a gross over-reaction to the problem to this. OK, say your against it, say the league should do something about it. But the "so and so" coach is a scum of the earth worthless piece of human flesh reaction, is an emotional, over the top over-reaction that I LOL at.

I take a more practical position. Deal with the problem. Find ways to deter the bounty's, make the bounty's functionally irrelevant through personal fouls, ejections, fines and suspensions. Make bounty's go away. I'm staying away from the emotional accusations of being not fit for life disgusting human beings, reactions that some others have. I LOL at that. Most of the league players and coaches would be scum of the earth not fit to live human beings. Just deal with the problem and make bounty's go away. And that would include, if the Saints are proven to have had an incentive to injure program, fines, suspensions for Saints coaches and other team sanctions. I'm thinking beyond the Saints. I'm taking a more global view of the problem and a more practical view.

Does this help? And thanks for asking.

[Trmszczykowski]

Please show me some evidence of the Saints intent to injure under the bounty program.

Please, any, Just one fucking clip. Just one quote. Something. Anything.

Can you do this? No. So shut up already. All of you. :olhoss:

Roman Harper and Malcom Jenkins. :dtrain:

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[Warner2BruceTD]

You're getting hard hits and bounties confused...hard hits that just happen in the course of a game are not at issue. Bounties that put the emphasis on injuring a specific player are. How can you not make that distinction? It's not a hard one...

because bucky and Tailback aren't very bright

[DSpydr84]

blockheads, the lot of you.

It's not for a plain old BIG HIT, it's for INJURING.

So if we absolutely ruin your QBs life for four quarters, hit him from all angles, pressure him, hit him as he throws, knock him on his ass every chance we get, hey, that's good ole' fashioned football!

But as soon as I say "try to injure him", now we have a problem? Even if the pain he actually gets is less than the previous example?

I don't see the difference. I really don't.

[EmpireWF]

Please show me some evidence of the Saints intent to injure under the bounty program.

Please, any, Just one fucking clip. Just one quote. Something. Anything.

Can you do this? No. So shut up already. All of you. :olhoss:

You make ramjackson look like fucking Einstein.

The investigation by the league's security department determined that an improper "pay for performance" program included "bounty" payments to players for inflicting injuries on opposing players that would result in them being removed from a game.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76...ogram-nfl-says

:joeybats:, now STFU.

[EmpireWF]

So if we absolutely ruin your QBs life for four quarters, hit him from all angles, pressure him, hit him as he throws, knock him on his ass every chance we get, hey, that's good ole' fashioned football!

But as soon as I say "try to injure him", now we have a problem?

I don't see the difference. I really don't.

Here it is.

When the majority of NFL players step on the field, they do not do so with the intent to injure their opponents. They may smack the fuck out of them on certain plays and all that shit. Sure, you have some douchebag assholes like Flozell Adams, but everyone doesn't have that attitude.

So when you have a program promoted by team officials that pays guys bonus money for PURPOSEFULLY INJURING PLAYERS, that's the problem for us.

[jaxjaggywires]

So if we absolutely ruin your QBs life for four quarters, hit him from all angles, pressure him, hit him as he throws, knock him on his ass every chance we get, hey, that's good ole' fashioned football!

But as soon as I say "try to injure him", now we have a problem? Even if the pain he actually gets is less than the previous example?

I don't see the difference. I really don't.

Wow...just wow.

In one example, your defense is just trying to win the game.
In the next example, your defense is just trying to hurt a specific player.

How's that for a difference?

[bucky]

For those that want to eliminate bounties, are you advocating that you would like the game to be changed as well?

As far as I see it, you can't have your cake and eat it too. I'm not stuck in my ways, and I get the league is trying to be more safe-conscious, but the way it is now, it's not for everyone. It is a violent, nasty game.

So to get rid of things like this, I would think that a lot of other things would have to change. These guys aren't sipping wine or playing chess after matches. It's not a civilized game, and it's not sane. There are some aspects that are, but at its core, it's about imposing your will on another human. "Bounties" (in some form or another) and huge hits are always going to happen unless they redefine the sport, which if that's what they want to do, go ahead. But I don't see how they could have both ways.

For players safety, I would somewhat redefine the sport. The NFL has already started to do this. The game is played differently now because of rules changes and fines and suspensions. I like seeing hard hits, but I don't want to see players injured or have the health problems after playing that they have had. Wish there were more advanced equipment football players could ware to help protect them from injury.

So yeah, I'm OK with the game changing to protect players health. If certain types of techniques, like blocking at the knees makes players be more susceptible to injuries, then get rid of those blocking techniques.

[Tailback U]

You make ramjackson look like fucking Einstein.



:joeybats:, now STFU.

Sorry Empire, but I prefer to listen to guys like Bart Scott and Shaun Phillips over a nobody like you. You know, guys that have actually played the game.

And your link means nothing? The Saints had a bounty program? OK thanks because we didn't fucking know that already you dipshit. You're not still understanding my argument because you're brain dead.

[Warner2BruceTD]

So if we absolutely ruin your QBs life for four quarters, hit him from all angles, pressure him, hit him as he throws, knock him on his ass every chance we get, hey, that's good ole' fashioned football!

But as soon as I say "try to injure him", now we have a problem? Even if the pain he actually gets is less than the previous example?

I don't see the difference. I really don't.

As soon as you say "i'll pay you cash to injure him", we have a problem. Any normal human would have a problem with that, actually.

Lots of problems. Ethics and morals, for starters. League rules, salary cap issues, as a secondary issue.

The difference, is an ethical concern over paying one human to inflict an injury on another, and also the fact that, despite the incredibly dense tact taken by Tailback & bucky, there will always be players who do whatever it takes to attempt to collect on this sort of thing.

The idea of a bounty is morally corrupt, even if nobody takes the coach or whoever up on it. Failure to see this is astounding to me.

[EmpireWF]

tailback, Your retarded ass wants "VIDEO PROOF" of shady shit. Who cares? The NFL investigated and found they broke rules...you know, by interviewing a bunch of people. Not watching youtube clips, einstein.