Saints Defense maintained a Bounty Program

[DSpydr84]

A couple of thoughts here:

1) Some of you are retards.

2) The bottom line is that whether you agree or not, you like it or not, paying a bonus to players that is not written in the contract is illegal under NFL rules. The Saints will be punished for this.

3) We're naive to think this doesn't happen in a lot of other places (although maybe not to the extent of the coach getting involved). These players have a lot of money and once an idea spreads, it catches fire.

4) The rewards were for knocking players out of a game, interceptions and forcing fumbles. That doesn't really dull the blow, but it should be mentioned.

5) I know it's cliche, but football is a violent game. And most of the guys who play it are a little bit crazy. If you ran into a person full speed and speared them into a fruit stand walking down the street, you're going to jail.

6) The difference between saying "We're trying to intimidate the other team through violent, aggressive play" and "We're trying to injure a player" is a thin, thin line. Everyone says A, not many people openly say B.

[Blade]

A couple of thoughts here:

1) Some of you are retards.

2) The bottom line is that whether you agree or not, you like it or not, paying a bonus to players that is not written in the contract is illegal under NFL rules. The Saints will be punished for this.

3) We're naive to think this doesn't happen in a lot of other places (although maybe not to the extent of the coach getting involved). These players have a lot of money and once an idea spreads, it catches fire.

4) The rewards were for knocking players out of a game, interceptions and forcing fumbles. That doesn't really dull the blow, but it should be mentioned.

5) I know it's cliche, but football is a violent game. And most of the guys who play it are a little bit crazy. If you ran into a person full speed and speared them into a fruit stand walking down the street, you're going to jail.

6) The difference between saying "We're trying to intimidate the other team through violent, aggressive play" and "We're trying to injure a player" is a thin, thin line. Everyone says A, not many people openly say B.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[EmpireWF]

It's not even JUST about football. If players were paid bonus money with the sole intent to injure guys, apparently, lawsuits and all kind of shit can develop.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/michael_mccann/03/03/saints.bounty.system/

Not saying Vilma's going to the clink for 5-years but it's not as simple as just 'playing the game.'



PLUS, everyone lied to the commissioners office about this. EVERYONE. It wasn't until new and "credible" evidence came forward that they even restarted the investigation.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/bounty-dishonesty-could-bring-down-more-than-loomis/

Whoever lied is gonna get it up the ass from Goodell and company. :gayrod:

[bucky]

So when tackling someone maybe they went for a knee or made sure there was a little more helmet to helmet contact.

And those hits are illegal, or should be. And then fine and suspend them. Take a couple hundred thousand from a player in fines, and/or a couple million from a 3+ game suspension and that $1000.00 bounty starts becoming irrelevant.

Enforce and change the rules so that Bounty's like this become functionally meaningless.

[mgoblue2290]

And those hits are illegal, or should be. And then fine and suspend them. Take a couple hundred thousand from a player in fines, and/or a couple million from a 3+ game suspension and that $1000.00 bounty starts becoming irrelevant.

Enforce and change the rules so that Bounty's like this become functionally meaningless.

It doesn't matter how much the bounty is. Its the principle.

[Warner2BruceTD]

It doesn't matter how much the bounty is. Its the principle.

They just don't get it, man.

Human bounties are apparently perfectly acceptable, because of this ultra macho tough guy FOOTBALL RAWR midset, and because they's always been around.

Well, this isn't 1972, maybe society has changed and people find the idea of bounties reprehensible. Amazing that people are deflecting this with meaningless bullshit like "well, football is a rough game, pussy!"

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[bucky]

This idea that NFL players are actively seeking to injure one another is completely off base, but clearly you will never be swayed off of that.

Football players actively try to hurt their opponent ALL THE TIME. TU is right about that. Some are even out to injure, but we hope that's rare. But they are out to hurt ALL THE TIME.

The general public should be appalled by bounties. Because it's appalling behavior to pay people to injure others. It taking place in a football field doesn't make it any less appalling.

Seriously, the lengths you guys are going to defend something indefensible is amazing to me.

Not defending it, just saying you are excessively over-reacting to it. Bounties have been football for almost a century and you're just now appalled by it? What are you 12? Did you just start following football? The league should take action against the Saints. Bounties are on the unethical side. Move on. Really, enforce and enhance the rules to help remove illegal and dirty hits from the game. Suspensions and fines. A player loses a couple thousand to a couple of million over a hit to make $1000 and bounties become FUNCTIONALLY IRRELEVANT.

And somehow, you will translate that into being an unethical stance and lacking intelligence. You are very over the top and judgmental. And you actually refuse to even give recognition to common sense and logic.

Really? You have something against making Bounties functionally irrelevant? You didn't even seem to understand the concept when I brought it up.

Same way you don't seem to understand the ESSENTIAL importance to protecting the innocent from being falsely convicted. Which is the reason strict guidelines are set in place when handling evidence. And you don't seem to understand "waiting for things to play out" before actually convicting someone. Somehow, that's all unethical to you. These are easy to understand concepts.

sigh.
Totally missing the point. If the Saints didn't have a single personal foul, a single late hit, a single roughing the passer, a single penalty the last three seasons, it still would't change the fact that putting bounties on people is fundamentally wrong and something that should never be accepted or casually disregarded.

And if their were no penalties, personal fouls, late hits, roughing the passers, then the bounty's, though lacking ethics, ended up FUNCTIONALLY IRRELEVANT. Say you're against them, and that the league should enforce some penalties against the Saints and move on.

It doesn't matter how much the bounty is. Its the principle.

It does matter how much the bounty is. If the bounty received for illegal hits is equal to or above the penalty the league would hand out, then the Bounty's are functionally relevant. If the Bounty is, lets say, $1000.00 and the penalty's by the league are tens to hundreds times more, than the Bounty's become functionally irrelevant and the practicality of them makes them go away.

[EmpireWF]

Bounties have been football for almost a century and you're just now appalled by it? What are you 12? Did you just start following football?

Someone, quick, tell the Commissioner.

bucky to the rescue.

[bucky]

They just don't get it, man.

Human bounties are apparently perfectly acceptable, because of this ultra macho tough guy FOOTBALL RAWR midset, and because they's always been around.

Well, this isn't 1972, maybe society has changed and people find the idea of bounties reprehensible. Amazing that people are deflecting this with meaningless bullshit like "well, football is a rough game, pussy!"

Funny how you can't seem to comprehend the practical side of the issue.

[bucky]

Someone, quick, tell the Commissioner.

bucky to the rescue.

I'm looking at this from a practical side. The league enforces and enhances rules and the ethical side goes away.

[EmpireWF]

I'm pretty sure that when several people in the Saints organization are FIRED, players are SUSPENDED (some may potentially even lose their jobs and retire) and coaches are FINED AND SUSPENDED....teams are gonna say, "Hmm...I guess we shouldn't pay guys to injure players anymore."

Bigger, "Maybe we should tell the truth the next time the league interviews us about an investigation."

[bucky]

I'm pretty sure that when several people in the Saints organization are FIRED, players are SUSPENDED (some may potentially even lose their jobs and retire) and coaches are FINED AND SUSPENDED....teams are gonna say, "Hmm...I guess we shouldn't pay guys to injure players anymore."

Bigger, "Maybe we should tell the truth the next time the league interviews us about an investigation."

Good. Still, make bounties functionally irrelevant. If the league enforces rules that take away dirty hits, Bounty's are meaningless.

[DSpydr84]

I'm looking at this from a practical side. The league enforces and enhances rules and the ethical side goes away.

Good point. I remember a few years back the Ravens had a bounty on Hines Ward. They said it to everyone, and nobody did anything about that. Did the league think they were being facetious?

As a side, I guarantee money changes hands all the time in that rivalry.

[Bear Pand]

I don't care if they decide to regulate here or regulate dirty hits/illegal hits that's the league's call. But to be a fan of the sport that has violence as a key ingredient and then cry like a girl over this crap is downright hypocritical.

As someone who does enjoy the violence in football I think stuff like this is bad, a black eye for the league, and just gives further incentive to further pussify the sport.