Hines Ward to Retire

[NAHSTE]

Did Hines display a chink in the armor?

[CaribbeanJoseph]

He will get in the HOF I believe. Steelers leading receiver, has the numbers, two rings, Superbowl MVP...

For sure HOF, more receptions, yards, and TDs than Stallworth and Swann, best blocking WR ever, Two rings, one SB MVP. To me it's a no-brainer

Definitely a Hall of Famer.

Really? :niggaplease:



I can't see him even coming close to making the Hall.

[Diivox]

For sure HOF, more receptions, yards, and TDs than Stallworth and Swann COMBINED, best blocking WR ever, Two rings, one SB MVP. To me it's a no-brainer

bold added for emphasis ; on a team that was a power running team for the lions share of his career there.

Add to that: always smiling, always polite to the fans, charity work, team leader, role-model of what you get when you work hard, and will probably have his number retired by the team. Nothing but praise for the Steelers even as they ended his career and would rather retire than sell out for another season or two of paychecks.

That stuff might not seem important to anyone else, but it is to the people who cast hall of fame ballots. Not only that, but he also had a great relationship with those same people.

There will never be another Hines Ward.

[MrBill]

Count me in with those that see Ward going to the HoF. He has too many things to list on his resume to not make it. Maybe not first ballot but for sure within 10 years.

[RosettaStoned]

Really? :niggaplease:



I can't see him even coming close to making the Hall.

Elaborate.

[Senser81]

Elaborate.

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but when you have a backlog of guys like Cris Carter and Andre Reed still waiting to get into Canton, there aren't going to be enough election years for Hines Ward to get in. Ward's value was much more than just statistics, but in these times its stats that get you in to the Hall of Fame. I would guess that if you compare Ward's numbers and accolades to guys like Isaac Bruce and Rod Smith, Ward still would come up short.

[shag773]

Does his Super Rings > Carter's and Reed's career numbers? Not saying I think Ward is in the HOF, because who the fuck knows what's in these voters heads.

Does Irvin get in without his rings?

[RosettaStoned]

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but when you have a backlog of guys like Cris Carter and Andre Reed still waiting to get into Canton, there aren't going to be enough election years for Hines Ward to get in. Ward's value was much more than just statistics, but in these times its stats that get you in to the Hall of Fame. I would guess that if you compare Ward's numbers and accolades to guys like Isaac Bruce and Rod Smith, Ward still would come up short.

Just a quick browsing.. His numbers are comparable to Carter's in everything except TD's. Ward has 2 rings and a SB MVP to go along with his stats though.

[FirstTimer]

Just a quick browsing.. His numbers are comparable to Carter's in everything except TD's. Ward has 2 rings and a SB MVP to go along with his stats though.

While true, relative to how they were viewed Ward can't touch Carter. I can see Ward making it in eventually but I'd put in guys Like Carter and Reed well before I'd put Ward in.

[RosettaStoned]

While true, relative to how they were viewed Ward can't touch Carter.

I don't even know what that means? That's not even a substantial statement bro.

[Senser81]

I don't even know what that means? That's not even a substantial statement bro.

Carter was an 8-time pro bowler and a 2 time All-Pro, and that was in the tough NFC which was stockpiled with great WRs. Ward made the pro bowl a few times, and was never considered one of the top WRs in the game. If Ward's case is longevity and blocking, then Art Monk retired as the all-time leading WR and it still took Monk years to get into Canton because he was never really an elite WR. If Ward's case is SB rings, then Cliff Branch has a much stronger resume than Hines Ward.

I just don't see anything other than his SB MVP that screams out HOFer to me, and even the SB MVP argument is kind of a "cherry on top" than anything substantial.

But who knows, I've been wrong about guys in the past (Floyd Little, Dick LeBeau, etc).

[RosettaStoned]

Carter was an 8-time pro bowler and a 2 time All-Pro, and that was in the tough NFC which was stockpiled with great WRs. Ward made the pro bowl a few times, and was never considered one of the top WRs in the game.

Carter had a few years of playing with Randy Moss as well.

If Ward's case is longevity and blocking, then Art Monk retired as the all-time leading WR and it still took Monk years to get into Canton because he was never really an elite WR. If Ward's case is SB rings, then Cliff Branch has a much stronger resume than Hines Ward.

I just don't see anything other than his SB MVP that screams out HOFer to me, and even the SB MVP argument is kind of a "cherry on top" than anything substantial.

But who knows, I've been wrong about guys in the past (Floyd Little, Dick LeBeau, etc).

It's the total package really. It's not one selling point. He has good numbers, SB's, SB MVP.

[FirstTimer]

I don't even know what that means? That's not even a substantial statement bro.

Srs?

See below

Carter was an 8-time pro bowler and a 2 time All-Pro, and that was in the tough NFC which was stockpiled with great WRs. Ward made the pro bowl a few times, and was never considered one of the top WRs in the game. If Ward's case is longevity and blocking, then Art Monk retired as the all-time leading WR and it still took Monk years to get into Canton because he was never really an elite WR. If Ward's case is SB rings, then Cliff Branch has a much stronger resume than Hines Ward.

I just don't see anything other than his SB MVP that screams out HOFer to me, and even the SB MVP argument is kind of a "cherry on top" than anything substantial.

But who knows, I've been wrong about guys in the past (Floyd Little, Dick LeBeau, etc).

Carter had a few years of playing with Randy Moss as well.

That really doesn't weigh much into.

Carter was already a 5 time pro bowler, 1 time All Pro, and had lead the league in receptions and TD's(twice) before Moss even joined the team.

Leading up to Moss joining the Vikings these were Carter's seasons

86-1071-9TD (PB)
122-1256-7TD (Led league in receptions) (PB) (AP)
122-1371-17TD (Led league in TD's)(PB)
96-1163-10TD(PB)
89-1069-13TD(Lead league in TD's)(PB)

Moss showed up and Carter's numbers didn't drop off/improve. He stayed pretty much a constant. Lead the league in TD's one more time, made three more pro bowls, one more All Pro team, had three more 1,000 yard seasons than got old and retired.

Carter's "prime" started 5 years before Moss even got to Minny. Bringing up Carter playing with Moss really holds no weight here. Carter was/is viewed as a much better WR than Ward relative to their respective playing days.

[RosettaStoned]

Carter's "prime" started 5 years before Moss even got to Minny. Bringing up Carter playing with Moss really holds no weight here. Carter was/is viewed as a much better WR than Ward relative to their respective playing days.

It helped prolong his career as a possesion receiver. He played two more seasons, had 100 more catches. Meh I dunno.. He was great in redzone but meh everywhere else. Ward was a more complete player IMO.

[ralaw]

IMO Ward will eventually get in....his stats are comparable to other HOF players, he has 1,000 receptions, for 12,083 yards, and 85 touchdowns and all of this while playing the majority of his career in a run oriented offense. Once you add his 2 SB's and 1 SB MVP he has to be a HOFer....eventually. He is probably also considered he greatest blocking WR off all-time was well. After all of that you add in the fact that he was the face of the franchise and seemingly liked by most he's a HOFer.