What the what? Junior Seau Committed Suicide

[EmpireWF]

Nah, Seau isn't their Benoit. Now if it was an all-time great still playing, who killed someone and then himself....yeah.

The only thing that can change is if Seau's brain is given to the Nowinski foundation and they find that it's like we can all assume, royally fucked. Even then, the NFL PR machine will ride it out and they'll move on.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Nah, Seau isn't their Benoit. Now if it was an all-time great still playing, who killed someone and then himself....yeah.

The only thing that can change is if Seau's brain is given to the Nowinski foundation and they find that it's like we can all assume, royally fucked. Even then, the NFL PR machine will ride it out and they'll move on.

Same reach in their sport...Seau was a larger than life figure...he was to the San Diego area what a Dan Marino/Alonzo Mourning is to SoFla. This is a big name who just blew his chest away in hopes to have his brain researched. Much like Benoit's brain was found to be in such a degenerate state, Duerson's was, and Seau's will be too...this big name is going to lead to a victory for the players in the court of law (the Easterling and McMahon case come to mind right now) but the NFL is going to take the brunt in the same way Big Tobacco took the brunt of a lawsuit versus cancer.

There is no amount of PR that shine this one up real nice.

[EmpireWF]

Any potential lawsuits from former players against the NFL could prove to be the most important issue in american sports of the next decade.

[Diivox]

So we have ESPN going off about how this was because he couldnt handle the lack of the spotlight, and we have people in here going off about how its concussion related, and others who are blaming Gregg Williams and the attitudes men like him have.

Dudes, noone really knows why Seau killed himself. And noone ever really will. My first cousin (RIP) killed himself a year ago this month. Believe me, we've all tried to figure out why he did it, and I suppose one theory is as good as the next, but I think the truth is theres an awful lot that would drive a man to do something like this, it's not any one thing, and the only one who really understands it is the one that's gone.

With Seau, I will remember the guys incredible passion for the game. Even when he was slowing down in his later years, he was still an amazing leader on the field and a generous man off of it. He raised something like 4 million for kids in San Diego through his charities and you never heard a single word spoken by anyone anywhere that was negative about him. My condolences to the San Diego community for this tragic loss, if you ever gave 2 fucks about your team you are probably alot more devastated than you thought possible with a sports figure.

[Tailback U]

No, I will bring up Gregg Williams and the Saints every time there is new evidence of head injuries being a terrible, terrible thing, because there are people here who downplayed what the Saints were doing based on macho bullshit, and some antiquated 1960's vision of football being MURDER DEATH KILL at all costs.

New evidence of head injuries being terrible? First of all, this isn't new evidence. Everyone already knew that head injuries are terrible. There've been plenty of cases already that have linked repeated head trauma to severe consequences, if you want to call it more evidence that's fine by me but it's not new evidence.

There were people here (and elsewhere) who listened to Gregg Williams on tape telling his players to go for KILL SHOTS TO THE HEAD (for money!), and concluded this was perfectly fine behavior, because hey, "it's an NFL locker room, and it's a man's game".

That has nothing to do with Seau at all. I don't recall anyone here saying his comments were perfectly fine, people were arguing that getting rid of the bounty program isn't going to decrease the aggressive nature of the game and therefore it won't improve player safety.

If anything, Seau (and Duerson, and others) is actually evidence that the game itself is too violent and that bounties have nothing to do with it, people are getting hurt because of the way that football is played these days. It has nothing to do with Greg Williams or bounties, dude.

How many players need to blow holes through their chests like Dave Duerson and Junior Seau did before we wake up and stop complaining about stuff like "pussified rules changes"? It's like I said when the Saints story broke, Williams & Payton should never coach again. Goodell got it half right.

You're talking about two separate things here. The "pussified rule changes" and the bounty program are two completely separate topics. The rules have already changed to improve player safety, and nobody cares if Williams/Payton never coach in the NFL again, but I guess you get off on constantly bringing it up over and over again like a 5 year old who brags about predicting the ending of a cartoon right, "I told you so!"

You're acting like the Saints bounty program is the main reason why Seau killed himself. That shit had nothing to do with Seau. He killed himself because the game is brutally violent - even without bounty programs - just like "I told you so!"

I understand what you are getting at, the bounty programs are a huge deal and should be banned and everyone involved should be punished because of what they can lead to. My point is that guys are getting CTE and killing themselves with or without the bounty programs, the player safety issue is much larger than the bounty program. Getting rid of the bounty program isn't going to get rid of concussions, even though it is a step in the right direction and absolutely necessary.

[Goober]

You motherfuckers are a bit salty hey?

Sorry but I'm not going to pity a coward like this. Dude couldn't handle living out his life as a millionaire, free to do whatever he wanted. He decided to kill himself, okay! Zero fucks given. Usually you feel bad for the family in these situations, but here I don't care. He already tried to kill himself once, and as Glen noted he was obviously messed up last fall. It was pretty blatant the guy needed help, and his family didn't do shit.

[RosettaStoned]

You motherfuckers are a bit salty hey?

Sorry but I'm not going to pity a coward like this. Dude couldn't handle living out his life as a millionaire, free to do whatever he wanted. He decided to kill himself, okay! Zero fucks given. Usually you feel bad for the family in these situations, but here I don't care. He already tried to kill himself once, and as Glen noted he was obviously messed up last fall. It was pretty blatant the guy needed help, and his family didn't do shit.

A skinny, nerdy little bitch calling a guy who beat his head to mush for the entertainment of millions of people a coward is painfully ironic. Shut the fuck up stupid.

[FirstTimer]

You motherfuckers are a bit salty hey?

Sorry but I'm not going to pity a coward like this. Dude couldn't handle living out his life as a millionaire, free to do whatever he wanted. He decided to kill himself, okay! Zero fucks given. Usually you feel bad for the family in these situations, but here I don't care. He already tried to kill himself once, and as Glen noted he was obviously messed up last fall. It was pretty blatant the guy needed help, and his family didn't do shit.

Obvious attempt is obvious.

First warning.

Just stupid and unneeded.

[Goober]

A skinny, nerdy little bitch calling a guy who beat his head to mush for the entertainment of millions of people a coward is painfully ironic. Shut the fuck up stupid.

I never mentioned his football exploits. I called him a coward for killing himself. Two unrelated events.

[FirstTimer]

I never mentioned his football exploits. I called him a coward for killing himself. Two unrelated events.

If CTE has taught us anything...

It's that what you just said is entirely untrue.

[RosettaStoned]

I never mentioned his football exploits. I called him a coward for killing himself. Two unrelated events.

Yeah, because repeated head trauma hasn't been proven to cause depression or dementia dumbfuck. Go back to jerking off to shitty comic book movies, or kill yourself. I won't think you're a coward. You would actually be my hero.

[ralaw]

It's interesting how people are saying he should have seeked help......I'm not going to pretend to know why he did this, but I'd have to imagine it was depression caused from his playing days. These head injuries affect people in different ways and some worse than others. As hard as he played and by all accounts when he played he was the type of guy that never let anyone know if he was injuted or not I have to assume he probably had numerous concussions that went unattended. I've hear stories of these guys being depressed because they couldn't even function as they once had. Has anyone seen that Mike McMahon story? It is truly sad.

[ralaw]

I never mentioned his football exploits. I called him a coward for killing himself. Two unrelated events.

In some ways commiting suicide is selfish in that it suddenly removes you from the lives of people that love you, but it is also selfish for others to expect them to remain in their depressed state. No one knows what was going through the mind of Seau, but I have to assume it had to do with his inabliity to function as he once had.

[Goober]

Yeah, because repeated head trauma hasn't been proven to cause depression or dementia dumbfuck. Go back to jerking off to shitty comic book movies, or kill yourself. I won't think you're a coward. You would actually be my hero.

I'm not a millionaire like Junior, but I still think my life is worth living, sorry.

[ralaw]

Goblin, I really don't think you get it. Nothing good will come from your stance.