What teams have improved the most this off-season?

[Villain]

You're a retard Blick. If you said that Denver has NOT improved, but KC did improve... That's the exact same thing as saying that Kansas City improved more than Denver.

Team A improved, Team B did not... Which improved more? :joeybats:

[Blick]

How can any sort of reasonable argument be made that KC improved more than Denver, when Denver had a RB playing QB last season, and replaced him with arguably the greatest QB of all time? Do we really need to break down RG and LOLB, here?

Strictly talking about Denver now.

Their improvement is almost entirely based on Manning. If Manning is the usual Manning, then yes, of course, Denver is a greatly improved team.

I've simply said that it's a big "if".

Manning hasn't played in over a year.
His health is a concern.
He's old.
His teammates are all learning a new offense.
Manning has to get his timing down with his new teammates.

That's fairly solid reasoning for thinking that Manning may not be the amazing acquisition many think he will be.

[Blick]

You're a retard Blick. If you said that Denver has NOT improved, but KC did improve... That's the exact same thing as saying that Kansas City improved more than Denver.

Team A improved, Team B did not... Which improved more? :joeybats:

I NEVER SAID DENVER HAS NOT IMPROVED.

See my response to Warner.

[Villain]

I NEVER SAID DENVER HAS NOT IMPROVED.

Put me down for NOT Denver.

Seriously, that team isn't very talented.

Manning is old and fragile. I think there will be a lot of growing pains with the new offense and the unfamiliarity between teammates, timing, etc.

They will be better in 2013 if Manning is still going strong.

See my response to Warner.

[Blick]

Put me down for NOT Denver...as a team that has improved the MOST.

I never said they haven't improved AT ALL, which is what you think I said.

[Houston]

The Jets. Mark Sanchez possible not starting for all of next year is a big improvement.

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

I'll put in my homer statements, why not... Carolina Panthers

Mike Tolbert bolsters the 3rd ranked rushing offense in the NFL

Ron Edwards back from injury adds a veteran presence to a young DT group

Jon Beason and Thomas Davis both coming back from injury

Luke Kuechly is ready to start and be a difference maker immediately

Joe Adams is a starter for punt and kickoff returns, goodbye Armanti Edwards (30th in NFL in punt returns)

Jason Baker was 28th in the league in punt average, Brad Nortman/Nick Harris should be an upgrade

The Panthers kickoff coverage team was 25th in the league, they allowed 3 punt return TD's (last in the league), they allowed 13.3 yards per punt return (30th in the NFL)... they addressed that with special teams players like Kenny Onatolu, Haruki Nakamura, Reggie smith, and Mike Tolbert.

Sherrod Martin was one of the worst safeties in the league last season, he should lose his job with Nakamura, Smith, and rook D.J. Campbell all fighting for the job

David Gettis is healthy for this season, after missing last season. Had a decent rookie year and is a huge upgrade over Legadu Nannee. Gettis had 37 receptions for 508 yds and 3 TD's in a 2-14 season that had Brian St. Pierre and Jimmy Clausen throwing the ball.

Mike Pollack and Bruce Campbell add depth on the o-line, and the jury is still out on Campbell.

Amini Silatolu will start from day one at LG and is an immediate upgrade over Travelle Wharton.

The Panthers really didn't lose any difference makers (Maybe Dan Connor who came in for an injured Beason, but Kuechly is an upgrade).

They return the 5th ranked scoring offense, 7th in offensive yards, 13th in passing and 3rd in rushing. They plugged major holes on a special teams unit that was almost dead last in every major statistic, and they return three starters on defense (5 if you count 2nd year players Mclain and Fua) to help a team that finished the season 4-2.

I don't think they are most improved, but for sure one of the top 5 improved teams and one nobody is talking about.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I hate this thread.

[Hasselbeck]

I'm still laughing at BEROWSK saying Atari Bigby is an improvement.

[Berowsk]

I'm still laughing at BEROWSK saying Atari Bigby is an improvement.

Hey now, I was playing devil's advocate. By no means am I a Chargers fan. I also never said he was an individual improvement, just added to a defense that was improved as a whole unit.