Saints Bounty Update.. Arbitrator won't get involed..Brees and Fujita are idiots

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  • FirstTimer
    Freeman Error

    • Feb 2009
    • 18729

    Saints Bounty Update.. Arbitrator won't get involed..Brees and Fujita are idiots

    NEW YORK -- An arbitrator ruled Monday that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has the authority to discipline New Orleans Saints players for their role in a bounty system.

    The NFL Players Association challenged Goodell's power to impose penalties for what the league says was a three-year bounty program that targeted specific players. Stephen Burbank, a University of Pennsylvania law professor, took only five days to determine that Goodell has the power to punish the players under the collective bargaining agreement reached last August to end the lockout.

    Goodell suspended Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma for the entire 2012 season and teammate Will Smith for four games. Former Saints defensive end Anthony Hargrove, now with Green Bay, was suspended for eight games, while linebacker Scott Fujita, now with Cleveland, was docked three games.

    Those players have appealed the suspensions. And the players' union said Monday it expects to appeal Burbank's decision because it believes salary cap violations are involved in the payment. That would give Burbank the authority to rule on penalizing any players involved.

    Burbank did, however, retain temporary jurisdiction on Hargrove's role and asked Goodell for more information on Hargrove's "alleged participation."

    Burbank "invited the commissioner to clarify the precise basis for his discipline of Mr. Hargrove who, among other things, was found to have lied to the league's investigators and obstructed their investigation," the NFL said in a statement.

    The union said in a statement it "believes that the players are entitled to neutral arbitration of these issues under the CBA and will continue to fight for that principle and to protect the fair due process rights of all players." The NFLPA noted Burbank wrote that "nothing in this opinion is intended to convey a view about the underlying facts or the appropriateness of the discipline imposed."

    The union filed another grievance with a different arbitrator, Shyam Das, contending the new CBA prohibits Goodell from punishing players for any conduct before the CBA was signed. The league's investigation showed the bounty program ran from 2009-11.

    Das has yet to rule on that grievance, which also seeks to have player appeals heard by Art Shell and Ted Cottrell, who are jointly appointed by the league and union to review discipline handed out for on-field conduct.

    The league and union have spent plenty of time before arbitrators and judges this offseason, with two other major cases pending.

    Vilma has sued Goodell for defamation in a U.S. District Court in New Orleans and Goodell has been given until July 5 to respond to the action.

    The players also have sued the league in U.S. District Court in Minnesota, saying the owners colluded in the uncapped 2010 season to have a secret salary cap. NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith has said such collusion could have cost players $1 billion in wages.

    That lawsuit stems, in part, from the NFL stripping the Washington Redskins and Dallas Cowboys of salary cap room in 2012 and `13. The Redskins had their cap reduced $36 million over the two years and the Cowboys lost $10 million in cap space.

    Both teams filed a grievance and lost.

    An arbitrator ruled Monday that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has the authority to discipline New Orleans Saints players for their role in a bounty system.



    Sean Pamphilon, the filmmaker who released the infamous audiotape of Gregg Williams speaking to the New Orleans Saints' defense the night before last season's playoff game with San Francisco, said he consulted extensively with former Saints linebacker Scott Fujita and current New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees before going public.

    In a lengthy post on his personal website, Pamphilon said Fujita at one point urged him to release the tape, saying the linebacker, now with the Cleveland Browns, said "sooner the better." Brees and Fujita both are members of the NFL Players Association executive committee.


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    "Scott reassures me soon thereafter that Drew Brees agrees with the NFLPA lawyers that the audio should be released 'sooner the better,'" Pamphilon wrote.

    Pamphilon also said the NFLPA, including executive director DeMaurice Smith, was aware of the existence of the tape before it was released.

    "At 3:12 in the afternoon Fujita texts me right after a conversation with DeMaurice Smith and says Smith 'brought up the release of the audio and his only question was if it will be released raw or edited?'" Pamphilon wrote.

    Pamphilon was given access to the Saints last season as he worked on a documentary with former New Orleans special-teams player Steve Gleason, who has been diagnosed with ALS. Pamphilon said he first contemplated going public with the audio after the NFL announced on March 2 it would be punishing the Saints for a three-year bounty program, in which the league said Williams and players pooled money to offer as incentive for injuring other players.

    Pamphilon said Gleason and his wife, Michel, were opposed to releasing the tape because they didn't want to do anything to hurt the Saints.

    "They were emphatic Steve wasn't willing to 'burn that bridge,'" Pamphilon wrote.

    Pamphilon said Fujita began acting as an intermediary between him and the Gleasons.

    "Steve tells me that the only way he would consider releasing the audio would be if not only the Saints were in favor of the release, but Scott Fujita and Saints superstar quarterback Drew Brees, as well," Pamphilon wrote.

    Pamphilon said the Gleasons remained opposed to releasing the tape. At various times, Pamphilon said Fujita led him to believe that Brees was in favor of releasing the tape.

    "Scott assures me that Drew Brees is fully on board with releasing the audio," Pamphilon wrote in what resembled a diary entry. "The game plan was Drew would be talking to Steve and Michel to let them know their interests are protected and he supports the move because it will help his Saints teammates. The theory was that the audio would pin everything on their former defensive coach and mitigate the player penalties."

    But the quarterback left a message for Pamphilon as the tape was being released to voice his opposition to the move.

    "In the voicemail, Brees never says NOT to release it," Pamphilon wrote.

    The NFL suspended New Orleans coach Sean Payton for the entire 2012 season. Williams, who left the Saints for the St. Louis Rams immediately after last season, was suspended indefinitely.

    General manager Mickey Loomis will be suspended for the first eight games of the season and assistant head coach Joe Vitt for the first six games. The Saints also were fined and stripped of a second-round draft choice this year and another in 2013.

    The league has announced that linebacker Jonathan Vilma will be suspended for the entire season. Fujita drew a three-game suspension. Current New Orleans defensive end Will Smith got a four-game suspension and former New Orleans defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove, now with Green Bay, got an eight-game suspension.

    All four players have appealed their suspensions to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and the union has filed grievances that were heard by two separate arbitrators, but haven't been ruled on. Vilma also has filed a defamation lawsuit against Goodell.

    Pamphilon also expressed disappointment in Fujita. He said the linebacker, who encouraged him to release the tapes and advised him throughout the process, stopped communicating with him in the aftermath of the audio going public.

    Fujita spoke to reporters in Cleveland recently and denied a bounty program existed and said there was no evidence. Fujita said the tape wasn't evidence of anything except a coach saying some inappropriate things.

    "In no way is this intended to be a cheap shot, but there is no chance [in] hell I would allow [Fujita] to teach either of my sons, an ethics class," Pamphilon wrote.

    Sean Pamphilon, the filmmaker who released the audiotape of Gregg Williams speaking to the Saints defense the night before last season's playoff game with San Francisco, said he consulted extensively with Scott Fujita and Drew Brees before going public.
  • FirstTimer
    Freeman Error

    • Feb 2009
    • 18729

    #2
    The more that comes out the dumber the Saints look.

    What a joke.

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    • Warner2BruceTD
      2011 Poster Of The Year
      • Mar 2009
      • 26142

      #3
      I'm surprised nobody made a thread when yahoo revealed that the NFL had possession of a ledger that detailed all of the payments, which essentially closes the book on the desperate conspiracy theories for good. But I guessat this point we are beating dead horses.

      The only interesting revelation here, is that like most people thought, Mr.Katrina was well aware of what was going on despite his bullshit when the story broke. The new info, is he's part of the cover up.

      Pathetic.

      Ironically, the person who comes off the best in the aftermath is the guy they are desperately trying to frame. Gregg Williams admitted his role, took his banishment like a man, and disappeared.

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      • Rayman
        Spic 'n Spanish
        • Feb 2009
        • 4626

        #4



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        • Villain
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          • May 2011
          • 7768

          #5
          Hm. So that's where Art Shell has been.
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          • f16harm
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            • Feb 2009
            • 2183

            #6
            Anyone think this may play a role in why Brees isn't getting his dollar-dollar bills ya'll?

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            • Warner2BruceTD
              2011 Poster Of The Year
              • Mar 2009
              • 26142

              #7
              Originally posted by f16harm
              Anyone think this may play a role in why Brees isn't getting his dollar-dollar bills ya'll?
              Brees is a phony and a creep. I heard Sean Pamphilon on the radio the other day, and he said he was in constant contact with Brees while debating whether to release the tape. Brees kept wavering and wanted to dictate to Pamphilon when to actually release it, wanting to wait for the right timing that would help the case of the union and make Gregg Williams look worse. This confirms that Brees knew about the bounty system all along and lied to the public the day the story broke when he denies knowledge. Shock and surprise, I know.

              Pamphilon also said Brees told him in an interview that he would personally not allow his children to play football due to head injury issues, but then told Pamphilon to cut that out of his documentary when he saw the backlash Kurt Warner faced when he made similar comments. He said Brees was the most image conscious player he dealt with on the Saints, and nearly every conversation he had with him was calculated and revolved around his image.

              Funny how Brees, supposedly this great leader of men, is sitting home in a contract dispute while his franchise falls apart at the seams. Seems to me he's either laying low until this story dies because he's a coward who can't face the press, or he's just not the great leader he projects himself to be. Or both. Shouldn't the teams most important player be with the team right now, setting a strong example?

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